Colonel G Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 A Jackie McNamara team struggling away from home. Who would have thought it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottymagoo Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) I've watched this sevral times and still not sure if it was in the box or not. Possibly bang on the line. It looks like a foul though.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Foh79ARIos Edited February 3, 2014 by scottymagoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Ref gets to see it just the once at real time and it looks as if his view is obstructed a bit by Bauben. If not 100% sure then he is not supposed to give it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Anyway, I'm not a great believer in 'things evening themselves out over a season' but those United fans moaning about decisions on Saturday should cast their minds back to the opening fixture. They might recall Butcher's reckless tackle on Fraser and the same player's two-footed lunge on Bannigan in their box. Suck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestreets Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Ok, I'll take the bait. Too many posters with double standards hereabouts. It was a penalty every day of the week even if the contact was accidental. If it had been at the other end, we'd have - rightly - been screaming for it. Have a look at Sunderland's penalty yesterday for something similar. I actually agree.. will be shot down here.. I am very grateful for the work Jackie did... its not that far away from his team that are still playing.. he also gave us Erskine back when he could have easily stuffed us for that one... the compensation thing was up to DUFC to sort out not him personally.. he was also probably being told what to say to press... all my opinion of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) If that's up the other end we are all screaming for it, any one who denies that is kidding themselves on. Could have easily been deemed to be in the box as well. Whoever said it was "well outside the box" is probably related to Bobby Madden. Edited February 3, 2014 by ian_mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipper Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Heard him on the radio saying the same thing.He was wrong on both incidents.At the game I thought McMillian did stamp him but on the replay It's clear it was accidental.It was his back foot that stood on his foot accidently and not a stamp.The penalty looked outside the box and a bit of a dive too. For all Ref Willie is constantlly one of the worst he did get two major incidents right. Mackay Stevens is a cheatin wee pr1ck who should have been booked for diving twice. Didnt hear ratmanara complain after the opening game about Butchers two shocking fouls or us not getting two stonewall penaltys eithier. Totally agree. Referee decisions on that first game cost us a win. A definite penalty and red card. But did Archie complain. No, too dignified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I'd be perfectly happy to observe Snakeman spend the entire remainder of his career bleating about this or that, feeling totally persecuted. The wee toaly deserves no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscat Jag Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Everytime I see that it becomes less and less a foul. As soon he knocks it into the box the United player clearly runs straight into the nearest Jags man to carry out his spectacular jack-knife. Didn't even think it was a particularly good dive. Thank God the much maligned Collum saw it for what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewarty Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Right on the line. No penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 If that's up the other end we are all screaming for it, any one who denies that is kidding themselves on. Could have easily been deemed to be in the box as well. Whoever said it was "well outside the box" is probably related to Bobby Madden. Fans scream for things that aren't in any way fouls all the time. That's how refs manage to maintain a good opinion of themselves - when they make blunders and hear the fans scream they just tell themselves it's the moron fans who just scream for fouls all the time regardless. At the game it looked to me as though the Dundee Utd player went down too easily, though I was relieved because I've seen plenty of 'soft' penalties given against us. Seeing it on TV with the benefit of replays, close up and different angles the following seems clear: McMillan instinctively goes to block him (obstruction) but realising what he's doing turns at the last moment, trying to get out of the way. He still catches him and knocks him off balance but the movement he makes probably fools the ref into thinking there's no real contact or at least no more than shoulder to shoulder. There is and it happens about a yard outside the box - that's clear and there's not other contact. Utd player kind of staggers past McMillan as he's knocked off balance and then falls when he's about a yard or so into the box. I'm not sure if he could have kept his feet if he tried but there was definite contact though outside the box. So the ref was correct in not giving a penalty. We were still lucky as these things happen quickly and without the benefit of TV replay a penalty could easily have been given - wrongly. We're also lucky we didn't get a free kick against us in a really difficult situation. Finally, no I'm not related to the referee - I just wasn't sure at the game so I watched the TV repayes carefully, paying careful attention to where contact was made. And I wouldn't have been too bothered if I'd spotted it should have been a penalty: I've seen too many given against us down the years that shouldn't have been and too many denied us that should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Right on the line. No penalty. Erm... but "right on the line" is a penalty (the line is considered as being within the penalty area). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 If I knew how to upload a picture I'd post the one I shot from the highlights. Armstrong was outside the box when McMillan made contact with him. His 'momentum' carried him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerjag Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I understand people havin a go at mcnamara but he's just stickin up for his team and the guy basically put us on the road to the prem so I'm not gna have a pop and he did say well done to thistle in his interview plus he has given us erskine back so think we should cut him some slack IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I understand people havin a go at mcnamara but he's just stickin up for his team and the guy basically put us on the road to the prem so I'm not gna have a pop and he did say well done to thistle in his interview plus he has given us erskine back so think we should cut him some slack IMO only on a short term loan. if he gives us erskine back permanently, and gives us gauld on a free, i might, and its only a might, cut him some slack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Probably a penalty - even on the line is a pen. Still, remember this? Swings & roundabouts... http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/partick-thistle/235091-the-big-call-should-calum-butcher-have-seen-red-for-two-reckless-tackles/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 ... Oi! Jackie! Shut yer hole, you tart!!! We are not all Jim Spence! .... Anyway, ARCHIE, you were saying...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgow Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Erm... but "right on the line" is a penalty (the line is considered as being within the penalty area). Is it? I thought that for a goal to be scored the whole ball needs to be over the whole of the goal line - effectively to leave the penalty area at back. By same logic, it wouldn't be in the penalty area until the player / ball was over the line. Or is logic and football too much! That said, felt that both the initial and then majority of contact was outside. It would have been a mistake to have given a penalty but given some of the decisions we have seen this season it wouldn't have been a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Jag Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Is it? I thought that for a goal to be scored the whole ball needs to be over the whole of the goal line - effectively to leave the penalty area at back. By same logic, it wouldn't be in the penalty area until the player / ball was over the line. Or is logic and football too much! That said, felt that both the initial and then majority of contact was outside. It would have been a mistake to have given a penalty but given some of the decisions we have seen this season it wouldn't have been a shock. Yes. The line is part of the area it encloses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Is it? I thought that for a goal to be scored the whole ball needs to be over the whole of the goal line - effectively to leave the penalty area at back. By same logic, it wouldn't be in the penalty area until the player / ball was over the line. Or is logic and football too much! That said, felt that both the initial and then majority of contact was outside. It would have been a mistake to have given a penalty but given some of the decisions we have seen this season it wouldn't have been a shock. You've applied the logic the wrong way around. Starting from within the penalty area, the ball doesn't leave it until it completely crosses the line, whether it be through the goal, out for a corner or into the general field of play. Or to look at it another way, the field of play includes the touchlines, so the penalty area includes the lines defining it also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 You've applied the logic the wrong way around. Starting from within the penalty area, the ball doesn't leave it until it completely crosses the line, whether it be through the goal, out for a corner or into the general field of play. Or to look at it another way, the field of play includes the touchlines, so the penalty area includes the lines defining it also. The Duke's logic is incontrovertible. If that incident last weekend had been deemed to be on (or inside) the line, and if it had been deemed to be a foul then it was a penalty. That Collum failed to deem it a foul was a big, big bonus for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Maybe we should draw a line under all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Maybe we should draw a line under all this. Something you couldn't have said, safely, while the much maligned Adam Strachan was with us, alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Are willie and column both words that can mean the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerjag Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 [/b] only on a short term loan. if he gives us erskine back permanently, and gives us gauld on a free, i might, and its only a might, cut him some slack. I want paul paton back just so I can look at his big desperate dan chin and raging eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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