sigesige00 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) The present PK shoot-out is not a good way of deciding winners. The shoot-out should be kicked not from the PK spot, but from the centre spot as the MLS in the USA did. And, under the present rule, only 5 players kick. 5 is too small number. It should be 8, because there is the rule that the time when the number of one team is less than 8 the game is over. And, there is no end-change. This is not fair, because of the supporters side may give the kickers some courage. And, the order of kicking must not be ABABABABAB but ABBAABB... like Tennis' tie-break. The shoot-out should be in this manner: A team kick (1st) B team kick (1st) end change B team kick (2nd) A team kick (2nd) A team kick (3rd) B team kick (3rd) end change B team kick (4th) A team kick (4th) A team kick (5th) B team kick (5th) end change B team kick (6th) A team kick (6th) A team kick (7th) B team kick (7th) end change B team kick (8th) A team kick (8th) If there is still no winner after 16 kicks, then go to next stage A team kick (1st) B team kick (1st) end change B team kick (2nd) A team kick (2nd) This 4-kick decider continues until the winners are decided. Edited March 15, 2011 by sigesige00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The present PK shoot-out is not a good way of deciding winners. The shoot-out should be kicked not from the PK spot, but from the centre spot as the MLS in the USA did.And, under the present rule, only 5 players kick. 5 is too small number. It should be 8, because there is the rule that the time when the number of one team is less than 8 the game is over. And, there is no end-change. This is not fair, because of the supporters side may give the kickers some courage. And, the order of kicking must not be ABABABABAB but ABBAABB... like Tennis' tie-break. The shoot-out should be in this manner: A team kick (1st) B team kick (1st) end change B team kick (2nd) A team kick (2nd) A team kick (3rd) B team kick (3rd) end change B team kick (4th) A team kick (4th) A team kick (5th) B team kick (5th) end change B team kick (6th) A team kick (6th) A team kick (7th) B team kick (7th) end change B team kick (8th) A team kick (8th) If there is still no winner after 16 kicks, then go to next stage A team kick (1th) B team kick (1th) end change B team kick (2nd) A team kick (2nd) This 4-kick decider continues until the winners are decided. This is the 1th time I've heard that by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 This is the 1th time I've heard that by the way. In the early years of the Major League Soccer, the shoot-out was dribble from the centre mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Leave penalty deciders alone. I love them just the way they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The fact that they are a bit of a lottery is what makes them so good. If you made shoot-outs fairer then you'd end up with a draw and even more deliberation. Imagine after 8 penalties each it was still a tie, so you know that you're going to have to take at least two more each, and so on, it would be mental. If you can't beat a team after 120 mins (or in domestic cup games sometimes 210 minutes) then you deserve your fate to be decided in a lottery IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 And, there is no end-change. This is not fair, because of the supporters side may give the kickers some courage. And whilst we're at it, let's have all games played at a neutral venue or behind closed doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The present PK shoot-out is not a good way of deciding winners. The shoot-out should be kicked not from the PK spot, but from the centre spot as the MLS in the USA did. And, under the present rule, only 5 players kick. 5 is too small number. It should be 8, because there is the rule that the time when the number of one team is less than 8 the game is over. And, there is no end-change. This is not fair, because of the supporters side may give the kickers some courage. And, the order of kicking must not be ABABABABAB but ABBAABB... like Tennis' tie-break. The shoot-out should be in this manner: A team kick (1st) B team kick (1st) end change B team kick (2nd) A team kick (2nd) A team kick (3rd) B team kick (3rd) end change B team kick (4th) A team kick (4th) A team kick (5th) B team kick (5th) end change B team kick (6th) A team kick (6th) A team kick (7th) B team kick (7th) end change B team kick (8th) A team kick (8th) If there is still no winner after 16 kicks, then go to next stage A team kick (1st) B team kick (1st) end change B team kick (2nd) A team kick (2nd) This 4-kick decider continues until the winners are decided. write to Fifa & stop boring us with your nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) and you can also suggest every game is played at Hampden so we can all ground share with QP Edited March 15, 2011 by jaggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 write to Fifa & stop boring us with your nonsense The rule change is up to the IFAB (International Football Association Board). In the IFAB, the FIFA has 4 vote, and English FA / Welsh FA / Scottish FA / Irish FA have 1 vote each. Rule change requires 6 votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The present rule which allows draw is not fair. Think about this situation: A 2-0 B A 0-2 B C 1-1 D C 1-1 D A and B get 3 points; while C and D get only 2 points. The 3-point rule is very unfair. However, return to 2 points is unlikely. So we should go to alternative; complete abolition of draws, including league games. Games like the World Cup Finals or 3rd Position Playoffs, the game should be decided by unlimited extra-time, because there is no next game. However, in other cases the winners (in the case of league games, both) have the next game. So extra-time is not a very good solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 This thread hurts my brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The rule change is up to the IFAB (International Football Association Board). In the IFAB, the FIFA has 4 vote, and English FA / Welsh FA / Scottish FA / Irish FA have 1 vote each. Rule change requires 6 votes. well write to them all then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The present rule which allows draw is not fair.Think about this situation:A 2-0 BA 0-2 BC 1-1 DC 1-1 DA and B get 3 points; while C and D get only 2 points. The 3-point rule is very unfair. However, return to 2 points is unlikely. So we should go to alternative; complete abolition of draws, including league games.Games like the World Cup Finals or 3rd Position Playoffs, the game should be decided by unlimited extra-time, because there is no next game. However, in other cases the winners (in the case of league games, both) have the next game. So extra-time is not a very good solution. You crack me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael m Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The present rule which allows draw is not fair. Think about this situation: A 2-0 B A 0-2 B C 1-1 D C 1-1 D A and B get 3 points; while C and D get only 2 points. The 3-point rule is very unfair. However, return to 2 points is unlikely. So we should go to alternative; complete abolition of draws, including league games. Games like the World Cup Finals or 3rd Position Playoffs, the game should be decided by unlimited extra-time, because there is no next game. However, in other cases the winners (in the case of league games, both) have the next game. So extra-time is not a very good solution. I do agree with no draws but I believe we should be revolutionary here and if a match finishes level it should be decided by a giant game of Ker-Plunk in the centre circle. Can you imagine the tension as captain Alan Archibald pulls out a giant straw and none of the giant marbles fall, then you would hear the crowd roar!! - Now that would bring the crowds back!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 sigesige00, whats your opinion on the colour of players socks? I think players should wear red socks, red is the easiest colour to recognise, when players head is down, they only need to look up for the red socks, to make pass? Can you find statistics that confirm, player in red socks complete the most passes? Players in black socks do not! I know i am right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 sigesige00, whats your opinion on the colour of players socks? I think players should wear red socks, red is the easiest colour to recognise, when players head is down, they only need to look up for the red socks, to make pass? Can you find statistics that confirm, player in red socks complete the most passes? Players in black socks do not! I know i am right. In my opinion, the colour of socks are decided by each team, and same as shirts or shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.D Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 In my opinion, the colour of socks are decided by each team, and same as shirts or shorts. Fell for it as expected Splitting my sides here! W A W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 At the end of extra time, if it's still a draw there should be 10 min each way with only 5 players per side, using the full pitch. They'd be so done in that at least one goal would be almost certain. If it's still a draw, another 5 min with only 3 per side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyljNfQUu5A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 I may be talking out of my bollocks here (but then that would be in keeping with this thread), but did we not win one of the 1971 League Cup games on the toss of a coin ? I know that we won, but that giant game of Kerplunk sounds much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eighthoursbehind Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Waaay back in the depths of time (50's I think) draws in the Glasgow Cup were decided by corners awarded during the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Waaay back in the depths of time (50's I think) draws in the Glasgow Cup were decided by corners awarded during the game. I think that method was used much more widely than just the Glasgow Cup, and until well into the 60s at least. It was abandoned as being too prone to lucky breaks. For example, a team could dominate for 95% of the game and have 20 shots on target or that hit the woodwork and score once, but without getting a single corner, while the other team might have attacked once, got a single corner from which they scrambled a goal, and then getting awarded the game because only they got a corner. At least penalty shoot-outs require some skill, by both the taker and the keeper. Luck too, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted March 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Waaay back in the depths of time (50's I think) draws in the Glasgow Cup were decided by corners awarded during the game. Deciding the winners by the number of corners is not so strange idea, because the offensive side will likely get more corners. If the numbers of corners are same, then we can decide the game by the number of throw-ins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 As opposed to penalty shoot outs I'd like to see the club mascots play a game of heidies with a giant softball. First to three the winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimp Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 i love penalty shoot outs, it's all about nerves and front. everyone is on the edge of their chairs and watching. i love penalty shoot outs its pure entertainment. dont doctor it. thistle were crap at penalty shoot out til kenny arthur came along. they lost everyone i saw when i was a wee guy. dont doctor it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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