Grimlock Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Why not?? If they want to be a no.2 None of the names indicated would be willing to be number two to a young manager at a middling first division team. Alternately, McNamara would naturally mistrust them, fearing they would take his job. Give the guy a full season at the very least. Technically, budget wise, we're punching above our weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 If we had given Jackie a fixed 2 year contract, we would have to pay him at least a year's salary on termination. McCall resigned so we did not have to pay him compensation. Can you not give a manager 1 years notice if they're on a 1 year rolling contract? I know nothing about this but I had thought that previously. It would be rather odd and to do so I imagine, as the managers thoughts would be on getting a new job rather than the one at hand, so it could act to motivate or hinder performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Can you not give a manager 1 years notice if they're on a 1 year rolling contract? I know nothing about this but I had thought that previously. It would be rather odd and to do so I imagine, as the managers thoughts would be on getting a new job rather than the one at hand, so it could act to motivate or hinder performance. You give the year's notice when you terminate the contract. It is no longer rolling at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blutarsky Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Yes. The only way we can escape the year's salary is if there is a clause which specifies a lesser amount. Normally, there is no such clause because the manager does not have the security of a longer contract. presumably, the years salary would also be used as the basis for an amount compensation to be paid in the circumstance where a manager moves to another club whilst he's under contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted January 8, 2012 Members Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Can you not give a manager 1 years notice if they're on a 1 year rolling contract? I know nothing about this but I had thought that previously. It would be rather odd and to do so I imagine, as the managers thoughts would be on getting a new job rather than the one at hand, so it could act to motivate or hinder performance. The only problem with that Twinny is that the manager would hardly be motivated to do anything with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 presumably, the years salary would also be used as the basis for an amount compensation to be paid in the circumstance where a manager moves to another club whilst he's under contract. I believe so unless there is a clause which specifies the compensation to be paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'm still absolutely raging at yesterday's result and performance against one of the worst sides I've seen in a while. In McNamara's defence though, QoS came with the intention of spoiling the game. Rarely have I seen a side in the same league as us be so negative. Cowdenbeath were far more positive in both their visits to Firhill last season. What annoyed me was that we seemed to play the same way all through the game when it was obvious at the end of the first half that it wasn't working. I couldn't understand why Flannigan was playing centre midfield when he should have been out on the right of midfield. I also couldn't understand how Erskine wasn't hooked as he was so bad it was embarassing in the 2nd half. I hope that the 2 h u n guys (and Rowser being fit again) can make a difference to the team for Friday. If we haven't sorted it in a few weeks time, then is the time to call for heads to roll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Earl of Hathaway Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 The Thistle manager's job is probably the most poisoned of chalices for any managerial candidate - previous incumbents include Murdo Macleod, Tommy Bryce, John McVeigh, Derek Whyte and Ian McCall who have gone on from the Thistle job to win precisely f*ck all. I want us to succeed as much as any Jags fan, but if we bump McNamara as is being suggested, who really would take the job? If I was a candidate, I'd read through this thread, check my driving licence was in order and start driving taxis.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 The Thistle manager's job is probably the most poisoned of chalices for any managerial candidate - previous incumbents include Murdo Macleod, Tommy Bryce, John McVeigh, Derek Whyte and Ian McCall who have gone on from the Thistle job to win precisely f*ck all. I want us to succeed as much as any Jags fan, but if we bump McNamara as is being suggested, who really would take the job? If I was a candidate, I'd read through this thread, check my driving licence was in order and start driving taxis.... You could say the same thing about most Scottish clubs, e.g. Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Neil Warnock's now available!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 There were folk on here reckoning that Gus McPherson should've been approached to replace McCall on the course specialist ticket. Are those same folk who by now have possibly witnessed his Q o S play 4 times this season still so keen on him? OK it's hypothetical but I'd rather watch a Jags side managed by a guy sure to make errors as he learns his trade than a Jags team managed by a course and distance specialist playing the McPherson way. Same goes for a lot of out of work names (eg Hughes & Calderwood) who by and large made their careers by putting their respective clubs in debt.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky jag Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 John Hughes? Who did he put into debt? IMO the buck stops with the board with regards to finances, absolutely no blame can be attributed to manager, he doesn't authorise the wages etc. John Hughes' Falkirk side is one of the best teams at 1st Division level I've seen in my time, maybe apart from our team under Lambie 10-11 years ago. Aye Hibs was a bit of a disaster, but who has made a success of Hibs to be honest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 John Hughes? Who did he put into debt? IMO the buck stops with the board with regards to finances, absolutely no blame can be attributed to manager, he doesn't authorise the wages etc. John Hughes' Falkirk side is one of the best teams at 1st Division level I've seen in my time, maybe apart from our team under Lambie 10-11 years ago. Aye Hibs was a bit of a disaster, but who has made a success of Hibs to be honest? I'm not really criticising Hughes, or Calderwood for that matter. Point I'm making is that when they were at their most successful they were managing a club who were paying unsustainable wages or more correctly what turned out to be later proved to have been unsustainable. That's why imo McCall was the right manager at the right time for us. If you excuse his excesses at Tannadice McCall was experienced at working within a modest budget. The last thing we needed back then was to appoint a well known manager who hadn't that experience. I believe that is even more important today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'm not really criticising Hughes, or Calderwood for that matter. Point I'm making is that when they were at their most successful they were managing a club who were paying unsustainable wages or more correctly what turned out to be later proved to have been unsustainable. That's why imo McCall was the right manager at the right time for us. If you excuse his excesses at Tannadice McCall was experienced at working within a modest budget. The last thing we needed back then was to appoint a well known manager who hadn't that experience. I believe that is even more important today. So we appointed a rookie manager with no experience of working with any budget. It would have helped if Jackie had recruited an experienced assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky jag Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Point I'm making is that when they were at their most successful they were managing a club who were paying unsustainable wages or more correctly what turned out to be later proved to have been unsustainable. Ah right now I get ye, fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Devil's Point Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Lenny, always find it quite remarkable how you "weigh in" to these threads when you have absolutely no idea about what has gone on. I think Lenny is being made a bit of a punchbag for peoples frustrations here. He acknowledges himself he wasn't there, and his basic point, that things have been so much worse is historically accurate IMO. I think its pretty hard to turn anything around in a few months, let alone a first division football team with dwindling crowds/cash. There have been flashes of decent stuff this season, but we just don't have the resources to be very ambitious right now. Obviously it would have been great to make some big money out of the cup, and have days at Hampden, or even like Tynecastle a few years ago, but we're in the real world which is never ideal unfortunately. I'm sure the league will provide some interest yet, and I bet if we beat Dundee at Firhill in two weeks people will be happy again. It is intensely frustrating to be in the groundhog day thing of always building for a great season that never seems to come but that is life. Going on is always the most important thing. Things are happening (Rangers potentially going to the wall ) and events may (or may not) work for us if we hang on in there just now. I make no pretence of being a good analyst of team selections/tactics, although it seems to me this is at worst another middling Thistle season, the like of which I have witnessed many times before. I see no good reason to be campaigning for the removal of McNamara at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'm not really criticising Hughes, or Calderwood for that matter. Point I'm making is that when they were at their most successful they were managing a club who were paying unsustainable wages or more correctly what turned out to be later proved to have been unsustainable. That's why imo McCall was the right manager at the right time for us. If you excuse his excesses at Tannadice McCall was experienced at working within a modest budget. The last thing we needed back then was to appoint a well known manager who hadn't that experience. I believe that is even more important today. McCall to join as coach then...? I notice Ian Cameron is nowhere to be seen in the dugout this season, he was always there with McCall & also when Jackie was caretaker, in fact it seemed then Cameron was the one taking charge & pointing things out to Jackie. He's still at the cub, just no 1st team involvement on matchdays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcapmilkdrinker Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 I see no good reason to be campaigning for the removal of McNamara at this stage. But he single-handedly stopped the green and blue fairies from showering Firhill with magic coins. What further reason do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 There were folk on here reckoning that Gus McPherson should've been approached to replace McCall on the course specialist ticket. Are those same folk who by now have possibly witnessed his Q o S play 4 times this season still so keen on him? OK it's hypothetical but I'd rather watch a Jags side managed by a guy sure to make errors as he learns his trade than a Jags team managed by a course and distance specialist playing the McPherson way. Same goes for a lot of out of work names (eg Hughes & Calderwood) who by and large made their careers by putting their respective clubs in debt.. I'd walk away from Thistle for the tenure of his employment if we are ever stupid enough to employ McPherson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 McCall to join as coach then...? I notice Ian Cameron is nowhere to be seen in the dugout this season, he was always there with McCall & also when Jackie was caretaker, in fact it seemed then Cameron was the one taking charge & pointing things out to Jackie. He's still at the cub, just no 1st team involvement on matchdays? Bringing McCall back to help Jackie could be a smart move. He had said he wanted to move "upstairs" at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennythistle Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Lenny, always find it quite remarkable how you "weigh in" to these threads when you have absolutely no idea about what has gone on. Culter - you slandered anyone who criticised at the final whistle, especially those who appeared in the video on youtube. As it turned out, not only were you not at the game, you didn't even see the video before it got taken down. Now, here you are again, criticising those who are unhappy about the way we approached the game yesterday. Yet again, you weren't even at the game. Astounding. You may think you are entitled to your opinion. Wrong - you are entitled to an informed opinion. There's a big difference. Make no mistake, barring a minor miracle, our season ended yesterday. We haven't managed 3 consecutive wins all season, so would someone explain to me how we are supposed to challenge for the title? The players quite clearly did not care yesterday. As has been pointed out, they all know they are not capable of playing at a higher level, they are still getting paid, so why should they? I stayed off the forum yesterday as it was clear I was causing more problems but I feel ignoring your utter crap is only adding to the fact I think you are right. Get this clear, I never under any circumstances made any slanderous comment about Culter. I made it clear I never saw the video. I also said that IF the abuse that some were saying happened then it was wrong, but IF it was no more than people venting frustration at the team performance, then it wasn't. Your dig at my Conference post is astounding. I make a comment that two games I saw 15 yrs ago were not as good as the first division. I meant at that time. Where did I say the current conference is not as good as todays first division? As for Saturday, I've not commented on tactics, players performance, yet I get slated by you and a couple of your cronies. Don't see you giving the same crap to people who claim Jackie said this, jackie did that, when they were no where near the dug out, dressing room. I've never once defended the players over saturday but I reserve the right to comment if I think the manager is getting, what I think is a raw deal. I made a mistake last week by commenting on the "Polis Free " thread. I should have ignored the thread and not commented. I opened myself up to critisism. The stuff that's been said and written about me on here in last 24 hours or so by you, Grant tierney's tackle , Ubeerteeb et all has been pathetic. Just because I dare to challenge your views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 The only problem with that Twinny is that the manager would hardly be motivated to do anything with the team. I was thinking that, but then, wouldn't he want to show his potential next employers that he is worth hiring? It's a situation that has never happened before (to my knowledge), and probably never will, so never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberteeb Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 The Thistle manager's job is probably the most poisoned of chalices for any managerial candidate - previous incumbents include Murdo Macleod, Tommy Bryce, John McVeigh, Derek Whyte and Ian McCall who have gone on from the Thistle job to win precisely f*ck all. I want us to succeed as much as any Jags fan, but if we bump McNamara as is being suggested, who really would take the job? If I was a candidate, I'd read through this thread, check my driving licence was in order and start driving taxis.... My point through all of this is that young managers have to start somewhere, some of those young managers will turn out to be brilliant, most will not. Jackie is in the “will not” camp as far as I’m concerned for the reasons I’ve already stated. These young managers with no experience are very very unlikely to walk into a job at a big club in a big league, we are a full time professional club in the second tier of Scottish football which is a not bad level to come in at and try and show what they can do to potential suitors. These people will be willing to work for buttons, the same kind of buttons people keep saying McNamara is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'd walk away from Thistle for the tenure of his employment if we are ever stupid enough to employ McPherson. If the board are reading this I'll happily contribute to Gus McPherson's wages. Sad day when a 'fan' says he wouldn't watch his team simply because he didn't like the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 If the board are reading this I'll happily contribute to Gus McPherson's wages. Sad day when a 'fan' says he wouldn't watch his team simply because he didn't like the manager. Got to agree with Grant on this one. If that tactical imbicile was ever employed by our Club in any way what so ever. You wouldn't see me for dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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