1 John Lambie Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) The thing with a lottery is that you need a gambling license I believe, which costs around £3k a year (from memory, may be wrong), might not sound a lot but eats into profits before any money is made. When you add prizes onto the £3k, you can see why the club may be reluctant to have that expenditure for something that may not take off. Edited August 28, 2012 by 1 John Lambie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted August 28, 2012 Members Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 IIRC, the Club used to benefit from having some sort of charitable status through the likes of the 800 Club or something similar (my memory's a bit fuzzy here) that used to let the Club earn cash without having to shell out too much in taxes etc. I was told recently that a member of the old board shut that down and it's much more difficult now to get the same status without jumping through numerous hoops. So just wondering if that would have helped as I see that Clyde's lottery is run by their Supporters Trust. maybe this is something that the Jags Trust can be asked to look into or perhaps Junior knows already as he was instrumental in setting up the Trusts draw at the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 IIRC, the Club used to benefit from having some sort of charitable status through the likes of the 800 Club or something similar (my memory's a bit fuzzy here) that used to let the Club earn cash without having to shell out too much in taxes etc. I was told recently that a member of the old board shut that down and it's much more difficult now to get the same status without jumping through numerous hoops. So just wondering if that would have helped as I see that Clyde's lottery is run by their Supporters Trust. maybe this is something that the Jags Trust can be asked to look into or perhaps Junior knows already as he was instrumental in setting up the Trusts draw at the time? We have the Partick Thistle Community Trust, money raised would go to them though rather than the footballing side of the club, unless an agreement was made (if that's possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolenscone Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 The thing with a lottery is that you need a gambling license I believe, which costs around £3k a year (from memory, may be wrong), might not sound a lot but eats into profits before any money is made. When you add prizes onto the £3k, you can see why the club may be reluctant to have that expenditure for something that may not take off. If it wished to do so, then it seems likely that the Club could operate a lottery to comply with the rules for Small Society Lotteries, for which no licence fee is required. http://lotteriescouncil.org.uk/public/legal/running.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 If it wished to do so, then it seems likely that the Club could operate a lottery to comply with the rules for Small Society Lotteries, for which no licence fee is required. http://lotteriescoun...l/running.shtml Not sure about as this is for "non-commercial" societies. Don't think PTFC would be able to get approval by this means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Last I heard of Eddie Prentice he had just squandered his Olympic funding with an extremely disappointing performance in the leap of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolenscone Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Not sure about as this is for "non-commercial" societies. Don't think PTFC would be able to get approval by this means. Too liner, Allan. It might require an entity other than PTFC Limited to operate and run the lottery and one would probably want to ask the Commission to give its blessing to the proposed structure, but I expect it wouldn't be that difficult if there was a desire to do it this way. It's also possible that some of the funds generated might need to be earmarked for community projects & youth teams, but if the Club is already spending money on this, then it becomes a paper re-allocation of resources rather than a real cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Better late than never, August's results: http://www.ptfccentenaryfund.co.uk/results/august_2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Better late than never, August's results: http://www.ptfccente...lts/august_2012 Fix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Last I heard of Eddie Prentice he had just squandered his Olympic funding with an extremely disappointing performance in the leap of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolenscone Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Still haven't received any communication from the Club relating to my prize from the July draw and I have now chased them for an update. It really does nothing to encourage people to upgrade membership or new people to sign on if the draws can't be made and prizes distributed in a timely fashion. Overheads are fixed and every new or upgraded membership goes straight onto the bottom line. With all the good work that's been done at the Club over the last 12 months, it's a real shame that the main fundraiser has been left to languish in this way. It's a glorified raffle, not rocket science and if the person currently tasked with running it is incapable of effectively doing so, then he should step aside and let someone else deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted September 4, 2012 Members Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 He seems to be dragging his heels getting out SS. I hope the Club have at least stopped paying him for his 'service'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolenscone Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 He seems to be dragging his heels getting out SS. I hope the Club have at least stopped paying him for his 'service'. If it's causing commercial harm to the Club then they need to stop pandering and deal with it head on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Out of curiosity, and minor boredom, I looked back through the forum to see when the draw results were announced... Jan 20th 2011 Feb 20th 2011 Mar 17th 2011 Apr 15th 2011 May 19th 2011 Jun 22nd 2011 Jul 27th 2011 Aug 16th 2011 Sep 20th 2011 Oct 20th 2011 Nov 18th 2011 Dec 21st 2011 Jan 23rd 2012 Feb 26th 2012 Mar 29th 2012 Apr 27th 2012 Jun 1st 2012 (May Draw) Jul 5th 2012 (June Draw) Aug 1st 2012 (July Draw) Sep 3rd 2012 (August Draw) I can't see anywhere on the website where it states the 15th of the month as the draw date, but I have vague memories of it being there in the past. Also, the Join Now tab page includes an email link to Ami Small. I thought she left a few months ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 She left over a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Don,t know if this question has already been raised but when was the last time that a announcement on how much the Centenary Fund had raised has been made. Do they normally only say once a year and when? Wouldn,t mind knowing how many are in the Fund in comparison to the old 800 Club and the breakdown on membership levels. As someone says there was a lot of fanfare and now not much news now. Also I recently recieved a certificate and a membership card. Can the card be used for discounts? If not I would say it was a bit of a waste of money on printing, post etc that could just as easy be kept in the funds raised. Edited September 5, 2012 by topcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I can't see anywhere on the website where it states the 15th of the month as the draw date, but I have vague memories of it being there in the past. Also, the Join Now tab page includes an email link to Ami Small. I thought she left a few months ago? All here - http://www.ptfccentenaryfund.co.uk/join includine the following line 'The draw will take place on or before the 15th of each month'. Email is just a generic [email protected] so although Ami used to answer from this account, it won't have been used by her exclusively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Don,t know if this question has already been raised but when was the last time that a announcement on how much the Centenary Fund had raised has been made. Do they normally only say once a year and when? Wouldn,t mind knowing how many are in the Fund in comparison to the old 800 Club and the breakdown on membership levels. As someone says there was a lot of fanfare and now not much news now. Also I recently recieved a certificate and a membership card. Can the card be used for discounts? If not I would say it was a bit of a waste of money on printing, post etc that could just as easy be kept in the funds raised. and likewise, how much have the Jags Trust received on the back of this, in shares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 All here - http://www.ptfccente...fund.co.uk/join includine the following line 'The draw will take place on or before the 15th of each month'. Email is just a generic [email protected] so although Ami used to answer from this account, it won't have been used by her exclusively. At the risk of sounding paranoid, that has been changed since last night. At the bottom of the page... This page last updated on 5th September 2012, 7:45am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolenscone Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 At the risk of sounding paranoid, that has been changed since last night. Yep, it has been changed from Ami's old PTFC address since I looked for CF contact details yesterday. A small error on the website that has now been fixed (though presumably emails to Ami's old address get routed to someone else in the office in any event). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) and likewise, how much have the Jags Trust received on the back of this, in shares. I suspect the answer is zero. The NorthWestThree were supposedly following up on this after the 'leap of faith' and them promptly pissing off all the good guys who tried to steer the JT in a more positive direction. So what are we left with ? A rump of a Trust with falling membership, a Club Board Rep who the Club is not happy to invite along, the old 1m shares whose value in the light of PropCo is questionable, a shambolic Centenary Fund and apparently no new shares accruing to the Trust. Maybe someone from the Trust can correct any out-of-date items in this list? Donald? The saddest thing in all of this is that the NW3 coven left the Trust as a lifeless corpse. Edited September 5, 2012 by sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I suspect the answer is zero. The NorthWestThree were supposedly following up on this after the 'leap of faith' and them promptly pissing off all the good guys who tried to steer the JT in a more positive direction. So what are we left with ? A rump of a Trust with falling membership, a Club Board Rep who the Club is not happy to invite along, the old 1m shares whose value in the light of PropCo is questionable, a shambolic Centenary Fund and apparently no new shares accruing to the Trust. Maybe someone from the Trust can correct any out-of-date items in this list? Donald? The saddest thing in all of this is that the NW3 coven left the Trust as a lifeless corpse. Does the Trust still exist, not heard a peep from them in years, if they do still exist for what purpose on what agenda and representing who? Going forward I nominate Sigge Sigge for chairman, president secretary and treasurer, let's run the trust like North Korea would, controlled by as little as possible answerable to no one and very secretive and paranoid… wait a minute we already have that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Patience, Patience. It's still September, and you are wanting September's draw?! Where have you been recently? Whereas they used to be made mid-month, draws are now made in the subsequent month. Thankfully EP isn't in charge of the 50/50 half time draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Aye cos the draw would be made at 930pm when the ground was empty and we'd all gone home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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