The Cup Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 They look like they might be going the way of Rangers and heading for complete extinction. They have 7 days to pay HMRC their money or they will be liquidated. Things are looking grim and Jim Leishman has told fans not to put money into the club as it would not help. This effects Thistle as we would drop 2 more points behind Morton when DUnfermline's results are expunged from record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 They look like they might be going the way of Rangers and heading for complete extinction. They have 7 days to pay HMRC their money or they will be liquidated. Things are looking grim and Jim Leishman has told fans not to put money into the club as it would not help. This effects Thistle as we would drop 2 more points behind Morton when DUnfermline's results are expunged from record. Has that been confirmed as happenning re the points? also how long does an administration process take, before liquidation sets in, bear in mind rangers went into admin mid Feb... it's the administrators job to cut back spending, make folk redundant, pay off high earners and come to an agreement with debtors.... hard to believe that could all happen before the end of the season. look at dundee, how long were they in administration for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggyman Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Has that been confirmed as happenning re the points? also how long does an administration process take, before liquidation sets in, bear in mind rangers went into admin mid Feb... it's the administrators job to cut back spending, make folk redundant, pay off high earners and come to an agreement with debtors.... hard to believe that could all happen before the end of the season. look at dundee, how long were they in administration for? Its my understanding that there will be no administration ---something to do with the club set up but they will go straight into liquidation. If livvy have a bad record v the pars it could also put livvy right into the fight for promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinKelvin Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) It seems that the SFL rules state that the points for all DAFC games this season would be voided if they are liquidated. This would be very bad news for us - the two points more we have gained in comparison to Morton in particular could turn out to be vital with things as close as they are. No team battling at the top of a division is ever in a position to see points chalked back off so this would be a sickener. Hoping that Dunfermline pull through - I for one would hate to see them disappear - or that in a worst case scenario, (somehow) the decision is taken to award 3-0 wins to DAFC's opponents for the rest of the campaign, which would be fairer anyway given that the games have already been played and battled out. Imagine that the brilliant 5-1 home win - maybe the best performance I have ever seen at Firhill - ended up 'void'? Shudder... Edited March 14, 2013 by ColinKelvin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 In order to go into administration, you have to have assets. Since Dunfermline dont own East End Park and the players have little or no resale value, they effectively have no assets. I think them going under and us losing the points would be the end of me. What is it with Fife teams this season? First the Cowdenbeath saga, the Raith posponment and now this from Dunfermline... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Its my understanding that there will be no administration ---something to do with the club set up but they will go straight into liquidation. If livvy have a bad record v the pars it could also put livvy right into the fight for promotion I believe Livi lost their first game but won the two since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) It seems that the SFL rules state that the points for all DAFC games this season would be voided if they are liquidated. This would be very bad news for us - the two points more we have gained in comparison to Morton in particular could turn out to be vital with things as close as they are. No team battling at the top of a division is ever in a position to see points chalked back off so this would be a sickener. Hoping that Dunfermline pull through - I for one would hate to see them disappear - or that in a worst case scenario, (somehow) the decision is taken to award 3-0 wins to DAFC's opponents for the rest of the campaign, which would be fairer anyway given that the games have already been played and battled out. Imagine that the brilliant 5-1 home win - maybe the best performance I have ever seen at Firhill - ended up 'void'? Shudder... The fact we are a;ready 3/4s of way through season, and any admin or liquidation is another week or two away, it would be ludicrous to void over 3/4s of the seasons results - let alone fair. The simplest solution, should Dunfermline be unable to fulfil their fixtures this season, is for whenever this happens in next couple of months, the last 9 games they play be revised (or awarded) as 3-0 wins to their oppositions (thus, the minimal damage or result changes would be implemented). IF the results were to be voided: We would lose 9 points (and 10 F, 1 A) Greencok would lose 7 points (and 10 F, 5A) Livi would lose 3 points (5 F, 3 A ..... Pars won 4-0, then lost 2-1 and 1-0) We would be the biggest losers of such a revision no doubt. ETA: revised league table, would currently look like this: Morton P24 GD: F47 A28 = +19 ..... 48 points PTFC P22 GD: F45 A21 = +24 ....... 44 points Livi P23 GD: F40 A33 = +7 ............ 37 points (32 game season) Edited March 14, 2013 by yoda-jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinKelvin Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 The fact we are a;ready 3/4s of way through season, and any admin or liquidation is another week or two away, it would be ludicrous to void over 3/4s of the seasons results - let alone fair. The simplest solution, should Dunfermline be unable to fulfil their fixtures this season, is for whenevr this happens in next couple of months, the last 9 games they play be revised (or awarded) as 3-0 wins to their oppositions (thus, the minimal damage or result changes would be implemented). IF the results were to be voided: We would lose 9 points (and 10 F, 1 A) Greencok would lose 7 points (and 10 F, 5A) Livi would lose 3 points (5 F, 3 A ..... Pars won 4-0, then lost 2-1 and 1-0) We would be the biggest losers of such a revision no doubt. I agree with you entirely re: fairness - but it is a major worry that some people (admittedly on P&B, not always exactly the most informed source) are saying that the SFL rules state that voiding is the step which would be taken. And, as others on this thread have said, DAFC may skip administration and be liquidated sooner rather than later. It is a worrying situation for us (albeit not as worrying as it must be for Dunfermline fans, right enough). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL.H Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 The fact we are a;ready 3/4s of way through season, and any admin or liquidation is another week or two away, it would be ludicrous to void over 3/4s of the seasons results - let alone fair. The simplest solution, should Dunfermline be unable to fulfil their fixtures this season, is for whenever this happens in next couple of months, the last 9 games they play be revised (or awarded) as 3-0 wins to their oppositions (thus, the minimal damage or result changes would be implemented). IF the results were to be voided: We would lose 9 points (and 10 F, 1 A) Greencok would lose 7 points (and 10 F, 5A) Livi would lose 3 points (5 F, 3 A ..... Pars won 4-0, then lost 2-1 and 1-0) We would be the biggest losers of such a revision no doubt. ETA: revised league table, would currently look like this: Morton P24 GD: F47 A28 = +19 ..... 48 points PTFC P22 GD: F45 A21 = +24 ....... 44 points Livi P23 GD: F40 A33 = =7 ............ 40 points (32 game season) Livi would lose 6 points, having beat Dunfermline twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Steering Group meeting suggests £375k needed to get to end of season including £250k by end of the month. Touch & go!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Livi would lose 6 points, having beat Dunfermline twice. OOps, correct. I had a George Osborne moment there. Will edit and amend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 The fact we are a;ready 3/4s of way through season, and any admin or liquidation is another week or two away, it would be ludicrous to void over 3/4s of the seasons results - let alone fair. The simplest solution, should Dunfermline be unable to fulfil their fixtures this season, is for whenever this happens in next couple of months, the last 9 games they play be revised (or awarded) as 3-0 wins to their oppositions (thus, the minimal damage or result changes would be implemented). IF the results were to be voided: We would lose 9 points (and 10 F, 1 A) Greencok would lose 7 points (and 10 F, 5A) Livi would lose 3 points (5 F, 3 A ..... Pars won 4-0, then lost 2-1 and 1-0) We would be the biggest losers of such a revision no doubt. ETA: revised league table, would currently look like this: Morton P24 GD: F47 A28 = +19 ..... 48 points PTFC P22 GD: F45 A21 = +24 ....... 44 points Livi P23 GD: F40 A33 = +7 ............ 37 points (32 game season) If that's what the rules are, we'd have no option but to go with it (potentially devastating as it may be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Beginning to look like Pars fans are reduced to hoping there's some serious brinkmanship on the go. That Leishman headed steering group is surely just for respectability, at best a smokescreen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Christ Celtic have made £20M from the Champions League this year. You think they might come up with a wee loan for a club that gave them Jock Stein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Christ Celtic have made £20M from the Champions League this year. You think they might come up with a wee loan for a club that gave them Jock Stein. Why? That was a very long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Christ Celtic have made £20M from the Champions League this year. You think they might come up with a wee loan for a club that gave them Jock Stein. Why? That was a very long time ago. but surely time is completely relative? The fact that Jock Stein came to Parkhead from Hibernian may actually be more to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Probably, every club and fan in Scotland should contribute something IF they want Dunfermline to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) But is this about Dunfermline? Looks to me that the likes of Masterton and his cronies are looking to sting the Pars fans for as much as they can get them to put up then they'll flog off the club (or wind it up to avoid paying any debts). I don't think anyone in charge of Dunfemline gives a damn about what happnes to the club. Why is there no discussion about administration - surely clubs in worse states (Dundee) have come through this and survived? Or are the guys who hold the debt (supposedly Pars-friendly) not willing to accept pennies for pounds and would rather flog the club off for a car park or something? Edited March 15, 2013 by Mr Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 In order to go into administration, you have to have assets. Since Dunfermline dont own East End Park and the players have little or no resale value, they effectively have no assets. I think them going under and us losing the points would be the end of me. What is it with Fife teams this season? First the Cowdenbeath saga, the Raith posponment and now this from Dunfermline... did Dundee own Dens at the time of the 2nd administration? I don't think they have owned it since the time of the 1st administration, although they had some players with value (Harkins & Griffiths) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 But is this about Dunfermline? Looks to me that the likes of Masterton and his cronies are looking to sting the Pars fans for as much as they can get them to put up then they'll flog off the club (or wind it up to avoid paying any debts). I don't think anyone in charge of Dunfemline gives a damn about what happnes to the club. Why is there no discussion about administration - surely clubs in worse states (Dundee) have come through this and survived? Or are the guys who hold the debt (supposedly Pars-friendly) not willing to accept pennies for pounds and would rather flog the club off for a car park or something? Leishman himself has said it would most likely go straight to liquidation. Explained here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 He's like the Walter Smith of Dunfermline, Jim Leishman... Up to his eyeballs in all the sh!te, serving as Director of Football.... yet now conveniently positioned by himself and the press as the goody to Masterson's baddy. "I demand answers from Masterson" aye nae bother Jim. Just answer them yourself, check the minutes from all the meetings you attended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 The only consortium that showed an interest in taking control of Dunfermline have now pulled out. It's looks like they are screwed. Gutted. Those 2 points could have been very valuable to Thistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Looks like the Pars are gubbed. The fans group set up to negotiate a purchase of the club have evidently pulled out. Apparently they've not been furnished with accounts and obviously can't continue with a purchase from Masterton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 We'll have a better idea of what's happening by close of play today, whenever that may be! Spoke to a mate up there who is quite heavily involved. Masterton has been made a final offer. Should he refuse, it's liquidation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 We'll have a better idea of what's happening by close of play today, whenever that may be! Spoke to a mate up there who is quite heavily involved. Masterton has been made a final offer. Should he refuse, it's liquidation. I think the deadline's been and gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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