Garscube Road End Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I find it bizarre though that there's still talk in the papers of Hearts maybe signing David Goodwillie and giving a new contract to Andy Webster. Seem familiar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) Seem familiar? You don't mean Super-Sally won't really be getting a £10 million war-chest for signings? Edited May 17, 2013 by Mr Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 You don't mean Super-sally won't really be getting a £10 million war-chest for signings? Did I say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel G Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Hearts, Hearts glorious Hearts, It's down at Tynecastle they bide, The talk of the toon is that they're shuttin' doon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Seem familiar? Daniel Cousin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 SPL looking at this next Monday. If UBIG are put into administration today, then probably Hearts will lose points for this season, so Dundee will survive. Interesting few days ahead! Not sure, but I would think that any points deducted after the full time whistle at Sundays games will be for next season. It would be very unfair to retrospectively deduct points for a season completed especially as of now, Hearts are still in business and have not filed for any administration. What happens though if Hearts don't survive the summer ? A prescident was set last year that the 2nd team in SFL1 takes their place, but Morton don't have a compliant stadium, if that were to happen, would Dundee survive and get the benefit 2 years running, or would the offer drop down to 3rd placed Falkirk. Interesting to see how all this pans out, but I don't see any outcome that doesn't help or chances of survival next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Do Hearts have any football debts and/or are wages been honoured to date? Is there an application by HMRC, or another outstanding creditor, for a winding up order been lodged? Got a feeling if it can't be proved they've been trading illegally and as they've not been reliant on money coming in from UBIG that they'll somehow survive this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Not sure, but I would think that any points deducted after the full time whistle at Sundays games will be for next season. It would be very unfair to retrospectively deduct points for a season completed especially as of now, Hearts are still in business and have not filed for any administration. What happens though if Hearts don't survive the summer ? A prescident was set last year that the 2nd team in SFL1 takes their place, but Morton don't have a compliant stadium, if that were to happen, would Dundee survive and get the benefit 2 years running, or would the offer drop down to 3rd placed Falkirk. Interesting to see how all this pans out, but I don't see any outcome that doesn't help or chances of survival next year. Morton had agreed a deal with St Mirren to share SMP if Cappielow was not ready. Presumably, that deal could be resurrected if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Not sure, but I would think that any points deducted after the full time whistle at Sundays games will be for next season. It would be very unfair to retrospectively deduct points for a season completed especially as of now, Hearts are still in business and have not filed for any administration. What happens though if Hearts don't survive the summer ? A prescident was set last year that the 2nd team in SFL1 takes their place, but Morton don't have a compliant stadium, if that were to happen, would Dundee survive and get the benefit 2 years running, or would the offer drop down to 3rd placed Falkirk. Interesting to see how all this pans out, but I don't see any outcome that doesn't help or chances of survival next year. Dundee staying up presumably they will ensure they spend money to survive does not help us.. Hearts remaining in the SPL on the other hand will be very much weakened with players leaaving and/or possible points deduction so I am definetly hoping for Hearts to survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Dundee staying up presumably they will ensure they spend money to survive does not help us.. Hearts remaining in the SPL on the other hand will be very much weakened with players leaaving and/or possible points deduction so I am definetly hoping for Hearts to survive It all depends on how much debt Hearts will have. It is likely that the club and Tynecastle will be sold at a discount to pay creditors. They could be sold cheaply like Rangers and Ibrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Not sure, but I would think that any points deducted after the full time whistle at Sundays games will be for next season. It would be very unfair to retrospectively deduct points for a season completed especially as of now, Hearts are still in business and have not filed for any administration. If UBIG and by association, Hearts file for administration today before 5pm then they'll have done so within the current season so the points deduction will not be retrospective. If UBIG avoid admin today and enter it sometime after that then the points deduction will be for next season. The timing of the SPL meeting and subsequent points deduction is largely irrelevant, it's the timing of entering administration that is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If UBIG and by association, Hearts file for administration today before 5pm then they'll have done so within the current season so the points deduction will not be retrospective. If UBIG avoid admin today and enter it sometime after that then the points deduction will be for next season. The timing of the SPL meeting and subsequent points deduction is largely irrelevant, it's the timing of entering administration that is key. and whether the SPL decide to make up the rules as they go along as they have done previously...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colognejag Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 The SPL without the OF on telly is a sickener for the authorities, does anyone really think they would relegate Hearts and be done with the Edinburgh derby as well? No chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 and whether the SPL decide to make up the rules as they go along as they have done previously...... I think the rules are a bit clearer after the goings on with Rangers last year. There will be arguments over the actual point hearts went into admin though. Some are saying that UBIG's admission to the government that they can no longer function is the beginning of it which would ultimately mean relegation for Hearts. I'm sure they'll disagree and hope any formal entry into admin is next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I find it bizarre though that there's still talk in the papers of Hearts maybe signing David Goodwillie and giving a new contract to Andy Webster. and wanting to sign Kris Boyd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Dundee staying up presumably they will ensure they spend money to survive does not help us.. Hearts remaining in the SPL on the other hand will be very much weakened with players leaaving and/or possible points deduction so I am definetly hoping for Hearts to survive If the saga drags on like last year, Dundee may learn their fate late and again be unprepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglemon Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 If the saga drags on like last year, Dundee may learn their fate late and again be unprepared. It's a total farce... Does any other league in Europe go through this pish seemingly every season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I couldn't give a rats ass about Hearts. They are a horrible club with many many sectarian fans. I've lived in Edinburgh in the past for a good few years, worked in Hearts pubs in my student days and have found them to be the equal of the h uns. Ask them why they take union jacks to games? (a flag that contains none of their club's colours) My personal preference is for them to go into administration after the season finishes, thereby giving us a 17 point start over them and the chance to hammer them at least 3 times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Hammer them. You mean like this 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 One has to wonder, with both Dunfermline and Hearts in financial meltdown, whether Jim Jefferies is the Scottish Harry Redknapp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrD Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) Gonna be a bit of a knock for the SPL if there second biggest team gets relegated/goes proper bust and with rangers not going to return for 2 years. How long can scottish football at its present level last? Edited May 17, 2013 by mrD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Interesting scenario is that Hearts can be deducted a 1/3 of their points total this season or next season depending on when they go into administration. If Hearts appeal, the appeals panel can only issue a maximum penalty of 10 points. I'm guessing this scenario was not updated at the time? Also will there be a vote who will go up/stay in the SPL should Hearts go down? Would prefer a trip to Tynecastle than Dens or another trip to St Mirren Park or Cappielow. Obviously Morton up would be best from a playing side of things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted May 17, 2013 Members Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 The SPL without the OF on telly is a sickener for the authorities, does anyone really think they would relegate Hearts and be done with the Edinburgh derby as well? No chance. Nail on the head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Gonna be a bit of a knock for the SPL if there second biggest team gets relegated/goes proper bust and with rangers not going to return for 2 years. How long can scottish football at its present level last? Quite easily I'd imagine. Most of the money Rangers make goes to Rangers (as with Celtic) - and this season has shown that they can survive without the little extra TV money there might have been available if they'd been in the SPL. (Again most of that money goes to the Old Firm). Why would anyone think that losing a club that is millions in debt (talking about hearts now) is going to damage the SPL. If it means clubs have to cut their cloth to meet the new situation again, then that's good long term for the league. What difference would no Hearts really make to the league? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted May 18, 2013 Members Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 You could well be right Mr B. From a selfish point of view, we wont miss what we haven't had, however the likes of Hibs would suffer badly without the Edinburgh derby. I'd imagine other Clubs enjoy the away support that Hearts bring. I say that however without any knowledge of what their away support is like these days. I suspect if the SPL Clubs vote on Hearts fate, they'll consider the financial implications ahead of anything else and if it's a choice between Hearts or Morton, they'll pick Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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