jigjag Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 If the drug is the same as was rumoured, he's got next to no chance of playing anywhere this season. Mensing got a month's ban for using a banned substance in a dietary supplement. Regardless, he clearly has an addiction problem. Unless that's sorted, he's going re-offend. Personally i don't care. He's caused a whole lot of unnecessary upheaval. The SFA should throw the book at him. La Scimmia. You really are an arrogant, sanctimonious person. If you think he "clearly has" an addiction problem then he needs help. Do you not think that losing his job, losing his income and being humiliated for the whole country to see is not punishment enough? Judging by your constant holier than though attitude over the years i suppose he should be tarred, feathered and banned for life? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) If the drug is the same as was rumoured, he's got next to no chance of playing anywhere this season. Mensing got a month's ban for using a banned substance in a dietary supplement. Regardless, he clearly has an addiction problem. Unless that's sorted, he's going re-offend. Personally i don't care. He's caused a whole lot of unnecessary upheaval. The SFA should throw the book at him. Can you explain how it is clear that he has an addiction problem please? I have no idea what the drug was rumoured to be so genuinely interested how it is known that he is 'addicted'. Edited March 2, 2015 by Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robphil Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) The SFA action is yet to happen. if a tennis player fails a drug test neither the atp nor his national federation is held responsible. if an athlete fails, then the entire team is not kicked out of the olympics/world championships or whatever. when diego maradona failed drug test at the 1994 world cup in the united states, argentina were not charged with any offence. therefore, i fail to see how thistle could be held culpable for a player's stupidity Edited March 2, 2015 by robphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 If the drug is the same as was rumoured, he's got next to no chance of playing anywhere this season. Mensing got a month's ban for using a banned substance in a dietary supplement. Regardless, he clearly has an addiction problem. Unless that's sorted, he's going re-offend. Personally i don't care. He's caused a whole lot of unnecessary upheaval. The SFA should throw the book at him. IF and it's a big IF, Jordan did admit to being an addict or that he had a problem then the club would have to have given him help instead of sacking him. In this day and age if you are alcohol or drug dependent and admit it then help has to be given and also sometimes written into a new agreement that he would have to attend AA or a drug unit. Also another test would be arranged in about 6 wks time. If he failed that or any of the new contract agreement then he could be sacked. So as the club have sacked him, Jordan never stated he had a problem with drink or drugs. So what you have written above is total bollox and obviously someone who is so out of touch with the way the real world works. To claim someone is an addict when you probably know nothing about him is low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Would the material fact at issue be whether it is deemed misuse of a recreational drug, as opposed to a performance enhancing substance? Don't know any of the facts, so simply thinking out loud and I never read the 'Daily Ranger' or any red top in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyprusjag Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 'course you could do a Rio and just not turn up for a test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Unlike some on here I fail to see the utility of 'throwing the book at him'. The guy apparently did wrong and has reaped the reward for his alleged misdemeanour. In my opinion he acted in an incredibly stupid manner, if the reports are to be believed. However, in view of the fact that the guy has lost his job and suffered huge damage to his reputation, I personally feel he should be left to get on with his life and hopefully rehabilitate himself. This is the twenty- first century not the eighteenth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I have absolutely no knowledge about what lies behind McMillan's sacking, but I would be surprised if the Club sacked him for failing a single drug test, when the normal response would be to offer help and support. This response would fit in with my perception of the Club's attitudes and code of conduct. The published story does not preclude the other rumour about high jinks on the players' night out, and in fact may re-inforce it by dint of the Club being faced with two incidents and then having to act. Whatever the full story, it should be put to rest, and I hope that there are no repercussions as far as points deduction is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) The fact that he returned a positive test, to me is evidence enough that he has an addiction. If you are at a stage of drug taking, that you continue to take it, fully aware you run the risk of a test, if you take it as a match day approaches.... That to me says you are addicted, either that, or you are a fckin moron. The fact that the earliest "publicised" incident took place 3 months ago, until he was sacked, would suggest the club did everything to support him. Edited March 2, 2015 by potty trained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 This has to be the most speculative thread ever seen on this most speculative of forums. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 This has to be the most speculative thread ever seen on this most speculative of forums. don't know about that. i believe you're clearly speculating solely for the purpose of speculating. no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Nixon Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Some fantastic judgemental, ignorant bullsh*t on this thread, congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamconnollyglasgow Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Some fantastic judgemental, ignorant bullsh*t on this thread, congratulations. Usual stupid comments from you #Bellend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 The fact that he returned a positive test, to me is evidence enough that he has an addiction. If you are at a stage of drug taking, that you continue to take it, fully aware you run the risk of a test, if you take it as a match day approaches.... That to me says you are addicted, either that, or you are a fckin moron. The fact that the earliest "publicised" incident took place 3 months ago, until he was sacked, would suggest the club did everything to support him. As I said earlier, I have no idea what the drug was/is but I would guess that it is cocaine we are talking about. Plenty of people go out and take coke at the weekend but are no more addicted to it than most people are to alcohol. It usually leaves the system in a couple of days but, in some cases, can still be detected in urine four or five days later. It could easily have been the case that someone went out at the weekend, over indulged and thought it will be OK to take a few lines, thinking "I've not got a game for four days". That's why I would possibly class him in the "fckin moron" category you speak of rather than an addict. Which then takes me back to my original question to La Scimmia Rossa of 'how is it clear'? I'm not saying that there is no chance of him being addicted, I'm just saying that it isn't clear. Not to me anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 As I said earlier, I have no idea what the drug was/is but I would guess that it is cocaine we are talking about. Plenty of people go out and take coke at the weekend but are no more addicted to it than most people are to alcohol. It usually leaves the system in a couple of days but, in some cases, can still be detected in urine four or five days later. It could easily have been the case that someone went out at the weekend, over indulged and thought it will be OK to take a few lines, thinking "I've not got a game for four days". That's why I would possibly class him in the "fckin moron" category you speak of rather than an addict. Which then takes me back to my original question to La Scimmia Rossa of 'how is it clear'? I'm not saying that there is no chance of him being addicted, I'm just saying that it isn't clear. Not to me anyway. Given the complete lack of facts on this can we just not accept he did something serious enough to lose his job and move on 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Given the complete lack of facts on this can we just not accept he did something serious enough to lose his job and move on I accept that he has done something serious but it is due of the complete lack of facts that I asked the question in the first place, to which the poster didn't reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I accept that he has done something serious but it is due of the complete lack of facts that I asked the question in the first place, to which the poster didn't reply. Unless the club or Macmillan tell you the facts - which I suspect legally they are prevented from doing - you are not going to know The actions taken and the outcome are a clear indication of the serious nature of the offence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Unless the club or Macmillan tell you the facts - which I suspect legally they are prevented from doing - you are not going to know The actions taken and the outcome are a clear indication of the serious nature of the offence Which, in effect, backs up my original question. Don't want this to drag on Javeajag but my original question on post #77 of the thread asks another poster on the forum to explain why something on the matter was clear. He didn't manage to reply to my question. Anyway, I'm going to do as I'm told and move on now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Unlike some on here I fail to see the utility of 'throwing the book at him'. The guy apparently did wrong and has reaped the reward for his alleged misdemeanour. In my opinion he acted in an incredibly stupid manner, if the reports are to be believed. However, in view of the fact that the guy has lost his job and suffered huge damage to his reputation, I personally feel he should be left to get on with his life and hopefully rehabilitate himself. This is the twenty- first century not the eighteenth Fair comment. Just as an aside my impression of McMillan as a footballer is that he is by no means a natural talent and he's clearly had to work hard at his game. Bad enough when someone with innate talent jeopardises their career but you could argue a case of easy come easy go. Just my opinion of course but when someone has had to work that much harder to get to whatever level he/she's reached it's that bit sadder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sacked-partick-thistle-star-jordan-5462184 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan1963 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sacked-partick-thistle-star-jordan-5462184 Has anyone heard how his appeal went? Seems to have all gone quiet since April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 He was very stupid, but everyone is due another chance. I hope he can get his life back on track and hopefully he can find another club, but sadly I think that will prove to be very difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) He was very stupid, but everyone is due another chance. I hope he can get his life back on track and hopefully he can find another club, but sadly I think that will prove to be very difficult Ignorant of a lot of what happened and I haven't read or heard anything of his appeal. He really needs to get this over with and get on with his career. Even with a lengthy ban and/or a suspended sentence you think Jordan could still attract a full time club albeit down a division or two below us. One or even two of his former clubs possibly? Maybe one day he'll get to see out his contract. Edited June 8, 2015 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankey Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I seen him the other day and he looked fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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