Crisis Time ?

[Dark Passenger]

Talk about missing the point.

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

Why do people persist in using this as a yardstick? We'd scored three times the number of goals and bagged three times the number of points after seven games that season.

 

For perspective?

 

As i recall... we pumped 3 past ross county at home. County were utter pish that year, relegation certainties until the transfer window. Big Aero scored a penalty to draw with hearts, friday night game we should have won. We got humped by aberdeen , 3-0 then 4-nil on the bounce and were utter tosh up to christmas results wise incuding a 5 goal pummeling from motherwell around the turn of the year.... maybe 3 or 4 wins before christmas?

 

I'm not disagreeing that we've had a poor start this year.... but playing the top 3 in the current league which includes a team worth miliions and another who beat them has been tough. ...

 

We could have beaten hamilton away, even down to ten men, we should've beaten killie, and dundee. I don't think we looked out of place against ICT and we were UNLUCKY conceding the first goal to aberdeen by penalty.

 

OK .... i know.... "aye.... but we didn't".... And that's important. But it's also important not to write off our chances and start having a go at a team who i reckon, avoiding serious injuries and suspensions, could get it's act together and be ok. Or a manager that's proven in the last to seasons he's capable!

 

Supporters....right? c'mon! plenty other folk tellin me Thisle are shite ..... could do with a bit of pride from the Jags fans.

 

eta

Edited September 14, 2015 by ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz

[Dark Passenger]

We also played two of that season's top three sides during that run, plus the team that finished fourth. Where's the pride in hiding behind flimsy excuses for our current form?

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

We also played two of that season's top three sides during that run, plus the team that finished fourth. Where's the pride in hiding behind flimsy excuses for our current form?

 

 

Aye but we didn't play celtic who only lost one game all that season till nearly november.... Motherwell , aberdeen and united? As good as aberdeen hearts this year?.... nah....

 

..... I just checked the stats ... motherwell beat us game 4 off the back of a 1-3 home scudding from the dons followed by a 0-2 defeat away to ICT...... We should have sacked Archie after that really.... It was a clear sign "we are the team others can end their bad runs on"....

 

I'm not hiding .... i'm right here supporting!

[lady-isobel-barnett]

What's the point of comparing last season's start to this season's? Whatever the player budget was in 14/15 we can be fairly assured it was significantly reduced this season. Why? Presumably because, despite a historically way above average performance, our attendances were lower by a considerable margin.

I neither know the reason why last season was such a turn off, nor would I ever criticise a Jags fan for not turning up, but it's plain to me that relative finances will almost certainly make a difference to relative performances. I still feel we should be faring better than we are but, given we've a home support now well below 3000 and no underwriting of a McGregor level, it's hardly realistic to believe we should be soaring up the league.

[jagfox]

 

 

I think...

 

[jagfox]

 

 

I think...

 

[javeajag]

What's the point of comparing last season's start to this season's? Whatever the player budget was in 14/15 we can be fairly assured it was significantly reduced this season. Why? Presumably because, despite a historically way above average performance, our attendances were lower by a considerable margin.

I neither know the reason why last season was such a turn off, nor would I ever criticise a Jags fan for not turning up, but it's plain to me that relative finances will almost certainly make a difference to relative performances. I still feel we should be faring better than we are but, given we've a home support now well below 3000 and no underwriting of a McGregor level, it's hardly realistic to believe we should be soaring up the league.

 

The finance argument works if the league table is simply a reflection who has the most money ie we spend less on players than anyone else.....I'm not aware if anyone knows that ? Clearly you can over achieve as Aberdeen are at the moment or under achieve like Dundee Urd

 

I don't think it's that complicated

1. The quality of player we have has gone backwards

2. That has also reduced the pace of the team

3. The manager has not progressed in his thinking or learnings

[lady-isobel-barnett]

The finance argument works if the league table is simply a reflection who has the most money ie we spend less on players than anyone else.....I'm not aware if anyone knows that ? Clearly you can over achieve as Aberdeen are at the moment or under achieve like Dundee Urd

 

I don't think it's that complicated

1. The quality of player we have has gone backwards

2. That has also reduced the pace of the team

3. The manager has not progressed in his thinking or learnings

 

Well it's not that complicated to realise that we overachieved last season.

[Alan Murray]

Feeling a lot more confident after watching both Muirhead and Mustapah on Saturday. Hopefully we have more to come in.

[javeajag]

 

 

Well it's not that complicated to realise that we overachieved last season.

 

How do you work that out ?

Over achieved in what way

[lady-isobel-barnett]

How do you work that out ?

Over achieved in what way

 

Can I leave that to The Jukebox Rebel to explain? I do tho' believe that most of us will know that historically our average finishing position is well below that of 8th. Certainly since I first saw us play in 1961 I would in most seasons have been chuffed if there was only 7 teams ahead of us.

[Lindau]

 

 

Can I leave that to The Jukebox Rebel to explain? I do tho' believe that most of us will know that historically our average finishing position is well below that of 8th. Certainly since I first saw us play in 1961 I would in most seasons have been chuffed if there was only 7 teams ahead of us.

 

Despite only being at primary school, I remember being gutted when two teams finished above us in 63!

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Despite only being at primary school, I remember being gutted when two teams finished above us in 63!

 

Too true and all down to the ******* weather! Well that and selling Joe McBride.

[sandbank boy]

 

 

Despite only being at primary school, I remember being gutted when two teams finished above us in 63!

 

You and me both

[Lindau]

The weather was friggin mind boggling that year. Pretty sure we hardly had a game in January or February, though the memory is a bit hazy! Don't think we will ever have a better chance of winning the top league

[javeajag]

i think it would be more accurate to say we have historically under achieved.....we should be around 8th in the league

[Garscube Road End]

i think it would be more accurate to say we have historically under achieved.....we should be around 8th in the league

Why?

[lady-isobel-barnett]

i think it would be more accurate to say we have historically under achieved.....we should be around 8th in the league

 

Not that I agree with above, or indeed understand how you come to that conclusion, but on that basis with perhaps the exception of Bertie all our other managers must have been lucky to keep their jobs.

[ausjag]

Too true and all down to the ******* weather! Well that and selling Joe McBride.

And Ralph Brand scoring the winner with his hand against us at Ibrox

[La Scimmia Rossa]

It's time to reach for the official stats again. Isn;t it?

[javeajag]

 

Why?

 

Because we have as much in terms of resources as the other teams outside the top 6 or 7

[Lindau]

The facts are that we are a yo yo club that has overachieved in the past 3 years or so. We are probably not quite good enough to have a permanent place in the top division. If we had a 16 team league, I think we would survive easily. The difference between us and clubs like Ross Co, ICT, St Johnstone or teams with similar crowds is that we don't have a sugar daddy or a board that is willing to push the boat out a bit in order to survive. The sooner our support realise that this is the good times, the better. Sadly I just don't see that happening.

[Gary Peebles Tackle]

If we could work out why we have one of the best away supports but a dwindling home support we could add a fair few to the home gates...

[The Jukebox Rebel]

Oi oi, my ears are burning

 

A wee bit o' macro mashing reveals:

• David Meiklejohn, Thistle's greatest ever manager in my opinion, improved Thistle's average League position in 10 consecutive seasons from 1949-50. His reign included 11 consecutive seasons inside the Top 10.
  
• Bertie Auld, Thistle's second greatest ever manager in my opinion, improved Thistle's average League position in 5 consecutive seasons from 1976-77. His record in that regard is only surpassed by the aforementioned managerial don.
  
• Thistle's average position peaked at 8.97th post season 1963-64. It's the only point in our history when our average League position sat greater than 9th.
  
• Thistle's average League position has generally been on the slide since that peak, going backwards in 36 seasons out of 51.
  
• Post 2014-15, Alan Archibald became the first Thistle manager to improve Thistle's average League position 2 seasons in a row since John Lambie did 3-in-a-row from 1992-93 onwards.
  
• Post 2014-15, Thistle's average League finish is 11.22
  

 

the full monty...

 

 

 

finish position - season (new average finish)

15 - 1893-94 (15)

16 - 1894-95 (15.5)

15 - 1895-96 (15.33333333)

11 - 1896-97 (14.25)

8 - 1897-98 (13)

9 - 1898-99 (12.33333333)

11 - 1899-00 (12.14285714)

11 - 1900-01 (12)

12 - 1901-02 (12)

8 - 1902-03 (11.6)

6 - 1903-04 (11.09090909)

5 - 1904-05 (10.58333333)

5 - 1905-06 (10.15384615)

14 - 1906-07 (10.42857143)

14 - 1907-08 (10.66666667)

18 - 1908-09 (11.125)

16 - 1909-10 (11.41176471)

4 - 1910-11 (11)

4 - 1911-12 (10.63157895)

17 - 1912-13 (10.95)

15 - 1913-14 (11.14285714)

7 - 1914-15 (10.95454545)

5 - 1915-16 (10.69565217)

9 - 1916-17 (10.625)

6 - 1917-18 (10.44)

4 - 1918-19 (10.19230769)

12 - 1919-20 (10.25925926)

6 - 1920-21 (10.10714286)

6 - 1921-22 (9.965517241)

11 - 1922-23 (10)

8 - 1923-24 (9.935483871)

7 - 1924-25 (9.84375)

14 - 1925-26 (9.96969697)

11 - 1926-27 (10)

6 - 1927-28 (9.885714286)

6 - 1928-29 (9.777777778)

6 - 1929-30 (9.675675676)

4 - 1930-31 (9.526315789)

6 - 1931-32 (9.435897436)

10 - 1932-33 (9.45)

13 - 1933-34 (9.536585366)

13 - 1934-35 (9.619047619)

10 - 1935-36 (9.627906977)

13 - 1936-37 (9.704545455)

7 - 1937-38 (9.644444444)

11 - 1938-39 (9.673913043)

5 - 1946-47 (9.574468085)

3 - 1947-48 (9.4375)

11 - 1948-49 (9.469387755)

7 - 1949-50 (9.42)

6 - 1950-51 (9.352941176)

6 - 1951-52 (9.288461538)

9 - 1952-53 (9.283018868)

3 - 1953-54 (9.166666667)

9 - 1954-55 (9.163636364)

9 - 1955-56 (9.160714286)

8 - 1956-57 (9.140350877)

6 - 1957-58 (9.086206897)

9 - 1958-59 (9.084745763)

10 - 1959-60 (9.1)

11 - 1960-61 (9.131147541)

7 - 1961-62 (9.096774194)

3 - 1962-63 (9)

7 - 1963-64 (8.96875)

11 - 1964-65 (9)

12 - 1965-66 (9.045454545)

12 - 1966-67 (9.089552239)

10 - 1967-68 (9.102941176)

14 - 1968-69 (9.173913043)

18 - 1969-70 (9.3)

19 - 1970-71 (9.436619718)

7 - 1971-72 (9.402777778)

13 - 1972-73 (9.452054795)

11 - 1973-74 (9.472972973)

13 - 1974-75 (9.52)

11 - 1975-76 (9.539473684)

5 - 1976-77 (9.480519481)

7 - 1977-78 (9.448717949)

8 - 1978-79 (9.430379747)

7 - 1979-80 (9.4)

6 - 1980-81 (9.358024691)

9 - 1981-82 (9.353658537)

14 - 1982-83 (9.409638554)

13 - 1983-84 (9.452380952)

21 - 1984-85 (9.588235294)

18 - 1985-86 (9.686046512)

20 - 1986-87 (9.804597701)

20 - 1987-88 (9.920454545)

18 - 1988-89 (10.01123596)

10 - 1989-90 (10.01111111)

14 - 1990-91 (10.05494505)

14 - 1991-92 (10.09782609)

8 - 1992-93 (10.07526882)

9 - 1993-94 (10.06382979)

8 - 1994-95 (10.04210526)

9 - 1995-96 (10.03125)

16 - 1996-97 (10.09278351)

19 - 1997-98 (10.18367347)

28 - 1998-99 (10.36363636)

25 - 1999-00 (10.51)

23 - 2000-01 (10.63366337)

13 - 2001-02 (10.65686275)

10 - 2002-03 (10.65048544)

12 - 2003-04 (10.66346154)

21 - 2004-05 (10.76190476)

26 - 2005-06 (10.90566038)

19 - 2006-07 (10.98130841)

18 - 2007-08 (11.0462963)

14 - 2008-09 (11.0733945)

18 - 2009-10 (11.13636364)

17 - 2010-11 (11.18918919)

18 - 2011-12 (11.25)

13 - 2012-13 (11.26548673)

10 - 2013-14 (11.25438596)

8 - 2014-15 (11.22608696)