Stoggy Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9044022.stm No wages paid to players and staff today, but they've been told they will be paid next week. Not much use if you have bills/mortgages etc coming off before then. Seems to be a lot of "we'll give you the money later" going on at DFC. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder how close we are to the fit hitting the shan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9044022.stm No wages paid to players and staff today, but they've been told they will be paid next week. Not much use if you have bills/mortgages etc coming off before then. Seems to be a lot of "we'll give you the money later" going on at DFC. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder how close we are to the fit hitting the shan. Get it RIGHT up you Gary. No matter how bad we've been financially, we've never failed to pay a player. And given the fact that we've removed the diddies from the board, things could be looking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C.G. JAG Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Get it RIGHT up you Gary. No matter how bad we've been financially, we've never failed to pay a player. And given the fact that we've removed the diddies from the board, things could be looking up. True, but we will keep them hanging on without a contract for the whole close season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 True, but we will keep them hanging on without a contract for the whole close season... Maybe that was down to the now departed diddies. I really hope we start treating people a bit better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I hope that we are not owed money from the Harkins deal. He could leave in the transfer window if they have to cut the wage bill. If Dundee do into administration again, they should, like Livingstone, be relegated to the third division. If not, I can see Livingstone's new owners suing the SFL for loss of income arising from their relegation to the third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoggy Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I see they have also cut the admission for adults to £15 and concessions to £5 for saturday's game. Trying to get as many fans to go to the game by playing the "we are all in this together" card. Dundee gambled on getting promotion last year. It was all or nothing, and it didnt pay off. If things were going as well as they were last season for them then most of this would have been hushed up, as they hoped yet again to be promoted. But as that looks unlikely, then panic has set in. Many on the forums of both her and Dundee questioned how wise the decision to bring a whole bunch of players on "big" wages in was at the time with many fearing the worst if it went wrong. And boy did it go spectacularly wrong for DFC last season. I think people are now getting tired of clubs pissing money away and then pleading to the fans to help out as its THEIR club. Business go to the wall everyday for less than what many clubs owe, but because no one wants to go down in history as the person that put a club out of business they continue on. The tide maybe about to change. I wonder how many other clubs directors are sitting waiting nervously to see what will happen to DFC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Get it RIGHT up you Gary. No matter how bad we've been financially, we've never failed to pay a player. And given the fact that we've removed the diddies from the board, things could be looking up. That's a lot of supposition, Grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 That's a lot of supposition, Grant. A bit. However, in our dark days of Save the Jags, we honoured all of our football debts unlike the likes of Motherwell, Livingston and Dundee (the first time). Like the trust guys, I am pinning my hopes on the likes of Beattie and Allan making a more positive contribution to the running of the club than Cowan, Hughes and Prentice did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggyman Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 A bit. However, in our dark days of Save the Jags, we honoured all of our football debts unlike the likes of Motherwell, Livingston and Dundee (the first time). Like the trust guys, I am pinning my hopes on the likes of Beattie and Allan making a more positive contribution to the running of the club than Cowan, Hughes and Prentice did. They werent honoured in full i think the debtors were paid at something like 30p in the pound. Which we means we owe a big thank you to these companies and iirc Forfar FC were one of those debtors for the sale of Alan Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Heron Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 They werent honoured in full i think the debtors were paid at something like 30p in the pound. Which we means we owe a big thank you to these companies and iirc Forfar FC were one of those debtors for the sale of Alan Morgan. That's certainly as I remember it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 They werent honoured in full i think the debtors were paid at something like 30p in the pound. Which we means we owe a big thank you to these companies and iirc Forfar FC were one of those debtors for the sale of Alan Morgan. we paid a number of creditors 30 or 40p in the £. However, we paid all football debts in full (ie the £30K to Forfar for Alan Morgan and all player wages) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordie Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 we paid a number of creditors 30 or 40p in the £. However, we paid all football debts in full (ie the £30K to Forfar for Alan Morgan and all player wages) this a fact, all football debts were settled in full. However other creditors were pd £0.30 in the £. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 this a fact, all football debts were settled in full. However other creditors were pd £0.30 in the £. I don't remember; did this include Her Majesty's Revenues and Customs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKennan Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Off topic-ish ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I trust we all realise if Dundee were unable to complete their fixtures our entire league points for the season would be forfeited. For the season so far, I mean . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I trust we all realise if Dundee were unable to complete their fixtures our entire league points for the season would be forfeited. For the season so far, I mean . A pointless remark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blutarsky Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 No matter how bad we've been financially, we've never failed to pay a player. irons & farningham took us to court, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Off topic-ish ... Interesting to see the hMRC are defo after a football team or two ... ar*eholes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 irons & farningham took us to court, why? Totally unrelated to Save the Jags. Anyway, didn't they win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 good i hope they go extinct i hate them. if u want to be a rangers fan fine, but dont go to dundee games and sing rangers songs. Plus i'm a sore loser after we outclassed them 4 times last yr and they beat us 4 times. they're rank. i never bought into the whole dundee being one of the favourites rubbish With any luck (or more to point, justice), once HMRC have hammered the nails into the DFC coffin, they will do the same to the hunns who apparently owe £24mill (plus interest and fines which could be another £24mill). I hope that we are not owed money from the Harkins deal. He could leave in the transfer window if they have to cut the wage bill. If Dundee do into administration again, they should, like Livingstone, be relegated to the third division. If not, I can see Livingstone's new owners suing the SFL for loss of income arising from their relegation to the third. We can but hope this will happen - first to Dumbdee then the hunns. Extinction for the latter would be even more welcome. Don't suppose anyone has heard any rumblings of the tims owing wads to HMRC, or am I just wishing for 20 christmas's to come at once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I trust we all realise if Dundee were unable to complete their fixtures our entire league points for the season would be forfeited. For the season so far, I mean . I was saying as much in work earlier in the week! It would be just our luck - who else would lose points though? I remember this being a 'problem' a few seasons ago with Gretna but I seem to remember their problems occurring reletivly close to the end of the season and the SPL bailing them out to keep going until the end. Literally the end. After the non-payment of staff on Thursday, you have to wonder how likely it is that they will be able to honor their fixtures this season. On Wednesday, I thought that HMRC would be daft not to accept a payment plan as the other option is admin, CVA (?) and reletivly nothing for HMRC. Today, you've got to wonder if they would be able to pay HMRC and all their other outgoings. I can't decide how I feel about this - I don't want another football club going to the wall but at the same time I don't think they should be allowed to get away with admin and a 9 point deduction. Relegation to the 3rd has been mentioned, but how would this be practical in October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Livingston were not relegated to the 3rd for going into administration. They were relegated to the 3rd because the league were not satisfied that they could fulfil all of their fixtures in the First Division the following season. I seem to recall them being unable to meet a "bond" payment up-front which the SFL had been demanding of them as insurance against such a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Dundee should be dealt with in the harshest possible manner. For a club to have wormed their way out of over £20M worth of debt to carry on in the manner they did last season shows either a breathtaking amount of arrogance or gross stupidity and a complete failure to learn from their mistakes. I know we are in a poor financial state but we haven't been throwing large sums of money on transfer fees in a gamble to get out of the SFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Thistle Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 The Money the HMRC are chasing for is PAYE & NIC's for the period Jan - April 2010 , HMRC are always slow to chase up other debts, so this is very much the tip of the iceberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 The Money the HMRC are chasing for is PAYE & NIC's for the period Jan - April 2010 , HMRC are always slow to chase up other debts, so this is very much the tip of the iceberg lettuce hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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