Charlie Endell Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Dont generally like his column in the NOTW but Davy Provan has it spot on today about Dungdee....sadly I cant find a link Thank fox - I might have been tempted to read it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Dont generally like his column in the NOTW but Davy Provan has it spot on today about Dungdee....sadly I cant find a link met him once at the airport & to my surprise he seemed like a nice bloke, very keen to chat away about footy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Still no sign of the wages - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9044022.stm. Dundee are in breach of their contractual obligations. Their players could sign for other clubs on free transfers, assuming they can find them. My guess is that the club will be in administration sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 (edited) I have my dancing shoes ready to dance on the cheating grave of Dundee FC. Administration looms Now I wonder if we could get Harkins back for hee haw. After all, a low wage from us is better than no wage from them... Edited to add, I love the comedy comment from that tit BoB Brannan along the lines of 'a big boy did it and ran away' Brannan, YOU were the chairman while all this was going on. Edited October 5, 2010 by GrantB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 loving it on pie and bovril, get on there and wind them up. as much as you say it you wouldnt really want a club to go bust (unless its the OF) the poor poor dundee fans are having a protest against the club. get it right up them actually, they were rubbing our noses in it when they got harkins, Going bust, going bust going bust!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 loving it on pie and bovril, get on there and wind them up. as much as you say it you wouldnt really want a club to go bust (unless its the OF) the poor poor dundee fans are having a protest against the club. get it right up them actually, they were rubbing our noses in it when they got harkins, Going bust, going bust going bust!! they were hoping for 8k at the weekend but onlly just scraped over the 4k mark - even the fans are sick of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 they were hoping for 8k at the weekend but onlly just scraped over the 4k mark - even the fans are sick of them! Ah, but they hadn't taken the start of the tattie holidays into account. Life can be all the more complicated over on the East coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Please let them survive, and get a points deduction. I don't want them to go out of business and leave us with only 3 points and a points deduction for them moves us out of the playoff spot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Latest from BBC says administration is 99% certain - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9044022.stm. Football365.com - http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6430943,00.html. "Footballers' union chief Fraser Wishart has warned Dundee's players could refuse to train if the club fails to pay their wages soon.... "He said: "Our opinion is that the club has fundamentally breached the players' contracts.... "Why is there money in the bank and yet the club can't pay the wages? That's the fundamental question that hasn't been answered." "I don't think it's fair that it is dragging on. There are a lot of people in the dark here. "We have advised the players to continue to train, but there will come a time when players can't justify training because of the costs involved." Does Melville think that he can force the club into administration, escape paying off the other creditors, and buy the club on the cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoggy Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 What is surprising is that it has come as a shock to so many people involved with DFC, be they fans, players, staff etc. It was obvious they gambled on being in the SPL this season and went for it big time with wages etc. Then when it seemed as if promotion was already out of their grasp THIS season it all started going wrong. If they were top of the table would this all have bee swept under the carpet for as long as possible? Gordon Chisholm last week was on the radio saying that he had been as honest with the players as he could with the information he was getting from the board, ie. if lies had been told it wasnt his fault. Fair enough. But when a manager says things like that then it is clear he knows that things arent going well but has been told just to concentrate on the team. Whilst I aint no fan of DFC I still wouldnt want to see a team go to the wall (OF can rot in hell though), but they have been playing russian roulette with finances for a very long time and eventually you have to come to a chamber in the gun that isnt empty. Will be interesting to see what the SFL do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Whilst I aint no fan of DFC I still wouldnt want to see a team go to the wall (OF can rot in hell though), but they have been playing russian roulette with finances for a very long time and eventually you have to come to a chamber in the gun that isnt empty. Will be interesting to see what the SFL do now. But if they didn't have enough money to pay for a bullet, they'll probably get away with it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Will be interesting to see what the SFL do now. Minimum 20 point penalty. 30 points ideally. Anything less (like a 5 or 10 point deduction) for a club that has clearly gambled and played fast and loose financially with not only their own clubs finances and their employees livelihoods, but also to the detriment of opposing teams (signing and fielding players on wages that other clubs could/would not offer), and which is now about to enter financial armageddon for the second time in 7 years, should be hit hard. Otherwise, it sends out a message that any club can spend beyond their means, over a couple of seasons, creating unfair competition and once it has all gone horribly wrong, its only the equivalent of a few league wins that they will suffer. Still, thanks for the £150k for the Baldy Hairy One (assuming we have had every penny of that), we needed that dosh big time last summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoggy Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6431515,00.html some interesting points to note in this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris near Oxford Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6431515,00.html some interesting points to note in this report. http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=9293 Other report with link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoggy Posted October 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9044022.stm Dundee may well wriggle out of this yet. Well until they have to pay the £250k compensation wanted by their former manager and assistant, and the money they owe for the ground, and for the training facilities, and anyone else that now decides they better get their money back for its too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 Minimum 20 point penalty. 30 points ideally. Anything less (like a 5 or 10 point deduction) for a club that has clearly gambled and played fast and loose financially with not only their own clubs finances and their employees livelihoods, but also to the detriment of opposing teams (signing and fielding players on wages that other clubs could/would not offer), and which is now about to enter financial armageddon for the second time in 7 years, should be hit hard. Otherwise, it sends out a message that any club can spend beyond their means, over a couple of seasons, creating unfair competition and once it has all gone horribly wrong, its only the equivalent of a few league wins that they will suffer. I agree. The fine should fit the offence, and in the last couple of years they've signed good players in Harkins, Douglas, Griffiths and even Clarke who will theoretically win them 15-20+ points a season (provided the rest of the team aren't completely shite...). A 9 point penalty as some are suggesting would be a joke, but there are no strict rules (or even guidelines) on what the punishment should be, so we'll have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honved Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9044022.stm Dundee may well wriggle out of this yet. Well until they have to pay the £250k compensation wanted by their former manager and assistant, and the money they owe for the ground, and for the training facilities, and anyone else that now decides they better get their money back for its too late. When Melville came on board they were "a week away from administration"? So then he and they did the clever thing of spending more than they could afford on transfer fees and contracts. Idiots who deserve to be run out of town by Dundee fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 When Melville came on board they were "a week away from administration"? So then he and they did the clever thing of spending more than they could afford on transfer fees and contracts. Idiots who deserve to be run out of town by Dundee fans. I've no sympathy whatsoever for the Dundee fans after the way they acted towards us after they signed Harkins with money they quite clearly couldn't afford. They seem to live in some deluded world where they think they are a big club. Hell mend them!!! Having said all that, they should still demand Bob Brannan's head on a stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) Minimum 20 point penalty. 30 points ideally. Anything less (like a 5 or 10 point deduction) for a club that has clearly gambled and played fast and loose financially with not only their own clubs finances and their employees livelihoods, but also to the detriment of opposing teams (signing and fielding players on wages that other clubs could/would not offer), and which is now about to enter financial armageddon for the second time in 7 years, should be hit hard. Otherwise, it sends out a message that any club can spend beyond their means, over a couple of seasons, creating unfair competition and once it has all gone horribly wrong, its only the equivalent of a few league wins that they will suffer. Still, thanks for the £150k for the Baldy Hairy One (assuming we have had every penny of that), we needed that dosh big time last summer. No idea if it's workable but I'd like to see a standard points deduction for entering administration applied in the season it occurs, say 10 pts. The following season a further points deduction based on the terms of the CVA. By that I mean, and I'm just taking arbitrary figures here, no further points deduction for say paying 25p/£, 5 pts deduction for 20p/£, 10 pts deduction for 15p/£ and so on. I feel like others the punishment should meet the crime and something along these lines might deter a club over loaded with soft loans paying out 1p/£. I'm lead to believe at Dens that apart from the taxman there's at least £150K due to other creditors. In there there will be tradesmen and small supply companies etc whose very future existence could hang on the percentage amount agreed on at a CVA. Some punishment system that takes into account the level of misery and hardship those creditors will face should surely be welcome. edited to add- the reason I think the punishment should be over two seasons is that if a 10 pt penalty is enough to relegate a club then a 15-30pt deduction is academic. Edited October 7, 2010 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Thats them in administration according to the text I for from an ex-dee4life committee member , they are seriosuly ****** and can barely trade day to day from what he was saying. Pretty grim but karma is a bitch , heres hoping a 30 point deduction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-first/dundee/201714-dundee-to-go-into-administration/ Chisholm, Dodds and 10 players to go apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-first/dundee/201714-dundee-to-go-into-administration/ Chisholm, Dodds and 10 players to go apparently. Ya beauty!!! Only downside is getting rid of Chisholm might actually improve them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Sad but inevitable. I feel sorry for the good Dundee fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 I feel sorry for the good Dundee fans Hear hear! They're decent couple of lads. btw I see Jamie Adams will be sent back to his club again. Is he creating some sort of record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its4nothing! Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Whatever we think of our Manager, he certainly dodged a bullet when the Dundee approach fell through last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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