laukat Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 McCall's strength is in finding players and building a squad and to be fair the current squad is decent. He can build teams that play attractive football. However today emphasised that building disciplined organised defensive structure is just a skill he doesn't have. Don't care what injuries we have a reasonable coach should be able to park the bus and hold onto a 2 goal lead. We now need a manager who can bring organisation, fight and discipline to a squad. If we find that we might just win this league. Personally I think Neil Lennon might be what we need but equally Jack Ross would be a decent shout. Not sure if we could afford the compensation but Dougie Imrie might be worth considering. Unfortunatley with Jlow in charge she'll probably try and get some brownie points form the media by appointing some unknown who is 'a la mode' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Anniesland Jag said: Jack Ross….last 2 teams managed lasted only seven games and got binned….even if he pulled the wool could we afford him ? Dundee United was 7 games. Don’t know what went wrong there. Hibs was 96 games, including 2 cup finals, and his record at Sunderland and St.Mirren was not too shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: At this point there is no vacancy but I have always assumed, possibly incorrectly, that clubs would "keep an eye" on managers should they need to make an appointment. People I would like to see us speak to: Neil MacFarlane (Coach of Brentford's B Team), Darren O'Dea (coaching Celtic's B Team with Stephen McManus), Marvin Bartley (Livingston Assistant Manager) and Tam Courts who did a good job at Dundee United before his spell at Honved. Spoke to someone within football and the name he mentioned was Kevin Thompson, he’s thought of highly within football circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted November 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Spoke to someone within football and the name he mentioned was Kevin Thompson, he’s thought of highly within football circles. Had a good season with Kelty Hearts, was a bit of a shock that he left them but would be worth speaking to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anniesland Jag Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Dundee United was 7 games. Don’t know what went wrong there. Hibs was 96 games, including 2 cup finals, and his record at Sunderland and St.Mirren was not too shabby. Last season with Hibs was seven defeats in 9 league games before being binned with style of play accused of being “dull and boring “. Agreed he did have some cup success and top three position for Hibs in first season …but could we afford him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: Had a good season with Kelty Hearts, was a bit of a shock that he left them but would be worth speaking to. Fell out with the Board due to their lack of ambition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Anniesland Jag said: Last season with Hibs was seven defeats in 9 league games before being binned with style of play accused of being “dull and boring “. Agreed he did have some cup success and top three position for Hibs in first season …but could we afford him ? Only one way to find out. Also plenty more names given, so there is no shortage of potential applicants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen1876 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, laukat said: McCall's strength is in finding players and building a squad and to be fair the current squad is decent. He can build teams that play attractive football. However today emphasised that building disciplined organised defensive structure is just a skill he doesn't have. Don't care what injuries we have a reasonable coach should be able to park the bus and hold onto a 2 goal lead. We now need a manager who can bring organisation, fight and discipline to a squad. If we find that we might just win this league. Personally I think Neil Lennon might be what we need but equally Jack Ross would be a decent shout. Not sure if we could afford the compensation but Dougie Imrie might be worth considering. Unfortunatley with Jlow in charge she'll probably try and get some brownie points form the media by appointing some unknown who is 'a la mode' Imrie came to mind for me - he has done a brilliant job with a dross squad. Suspect the compensation would be too much though. On the Morton theme, when Holt got injured, Efe Ambrose should have been a short term fix for us and he is now there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: Had a good season with Kelty Hearts, was a bit of a shock that he left them but would be worth speaking to. Even Gary Caldwell could've managed that Kelty Hearts squad and they still would've won League Two. That's not saying Thomson would be poor manager. Just not much to go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted November 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 minute ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Even Gary Caldwell could've managed that Kelty Hearts squad and they still would've won League Two. That's not saying Thomson would be poor manager. Just not much to go on. Steady On! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anniesland Jag Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Stephen1876 said: Imrie came to mind for me - he has done a brilliant job with a dross squad. Suspect the compensation would be too much though. On the Morton theme, when Holt got injured, Efe Ambrose should have been a short term fix for us and he is now there. Yeah,Imrie would be a good shout.Gets the best out of players and instills a never say die mentality in team picked up from his Premier league survivor days at Accies ….would also ram it right up Morton for good measure and would fit our budget I suspect . Edited November 5, 2022 by Anniesland Jag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Don't fancy Kevin Thompson at all. Won a league with Kelty when he had a budget that dwarfed every other team in the league. We need a manager that can instill discipline and who might occasionally throw the teacups around. To my mind McCall is too pally with the players. If we're not going to go with experience in a Lennon/Ross or and Imrie then I would prefer to give it Brian Graham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Does Lennon not hate Thistle after we booed him when he kicked one of our guys and he thought it was sectarian booing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Even Gary Caldwell could've managed that Kelty Hearts squad and they still would've won League Two. That's not saying Thomson would be poor manager. Just not much to go on. Did Jackie McNamara have any track record at all when he came to Firhill , Kevin Thompson has lots of contacts within the game , got a knowledge of young players after working within the Rangers Academy, rather we went in that direction rather than journeymen pros like Cammy Smith ,Danny Mullen and I’ll also add David Mitchell to that list Got to be wholesale changes to our Club and the direction we want to evolve to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Anniesland Jag said: Yeah,Imrie would be a good shout.Gets the best out of players and instills a never say die mentality in team picked up from his Premier league survivor days at Accies ….would also ram it right up Morton for good measure and would fit our budget I suspect . Unfortunately we would have to endure hoofball with a Dougie Imrie team , though I’m sure Archie would welcome him !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted November 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Did Jackie McNamara have any track record at all when he came to Firhill , Kevin Thompson has lots of contacts within the game , got a knowledge of young players after working within the Rangers Academy, rather we went in that direction rather than journeymen pros like Cammy Smith ,Danny Mullen and I’ll also add David Mitchell to that list Got to be wholesale changes to our Club and the direction we want to evolve to . You make a good point. There would be no point in appointing someone who wants lots of experienced players if we want to be a club which develops our own youth players or vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Did Jackie McNamara have any track record at all when he came to Firhill , Kevin Thompson has lots of contacts within the game , got a knowledge of young players after working within the Rangers Academy, rather we went in that direction rather than journeymen pros like Cammy Smith ,Danny Mullen and I’ll also add David Mitchell to that list Got to be wholesale changes to our Club and the direction we want to evolve to . Not too sure why you're quoting me. I don't have an opinion about Kevin Thomson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 The Manager's position should certainly be under discussion after the last month of implosion. How on earth Alan Archibald is still in position given the ratio of goals we have lost to set plays and throw-ins this season is even more worthy of scrutiny and justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Not too sure why you're quoting me. I don't have an opinion about Kevin Thomson. Think you said there wasn’t much to go on , similar to Jackie Mac when he came to Firhill It wasn’t a criticism! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Just wondering if any of the people who want to give them the full season care to explain their reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: At this point there is no vacancy but I have always assumed, possibly incorrectly, that clubs would "keep an eye" on managers should they need to make an appointment. People I would like to see us speak to: Neil MacFarlane (Coach of Brentford's B Team), Darren O'Dea (coaching Celtic's B Team with Stephen McManus), Marvin Bartley (Livingston Assistant Manager) and Tam Courts who did a good job at Dundee United before his spell at Honved. Genuinely where did you get half these names from? Only Courts has first team experience and he is not still at Honved. Courts maybe if he was available, but dont really see how the others should be top of the list of people to speak too? I would hope Dougie Imrie, Neil Lennon and Jack Ross were all approached before any of these unTried Assistant Managers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted November 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Genuinely where did you get half these names from? Only Courts has first team experience and he is not still at Honved. Courts maybe if he was available, but dont really see how the others should be top of the list of people to speak too? I would hope Dougie Imrie, Neil Lennon and Jack Ross were all approached before any of these unTried Assistant Managers With regards to Courts: Although his team defeated Zalaegerszegi TE at the ZTE Arena on 22 October 2022 on the 12th match day of the season[14], Courts left the club by mutual consent on 24 October 2022.[15] And can I ask what was Imrie before he was appointed at Morton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: With regards to Courts: Although his team defeated Zalaegerszegi TE at the ZTE Arena on 22 October 2022 on the 12th match day of the season[14], Courts left the club by mutual consent on 24 October 2022.[15] And can I ask what was Imrie before he was appointed at Morton? Imrie has clearly shown ability as a Manager taking a team that was bottom with no budget to the team that is near top of the league - the others bar Courts have not and would be complete gambles that could spectacularly fail. Of course every appointment to an extent is a gamble but Imrie has proven so far he has what it takes and is a young up and coming manager that should be one of the names top of our list if we were to be looking for a new manager. For what its worth I think there is at times a snobbery in some parts involved in running the club who would view Imrie as a wee ned type and wouldnt employ them- they would much rather a jobs for the boys type like who is a favourite to them. Imrie strikes me as telling it as it is, a motivator - someone we should be going for but sadly who i fear some of the snobs would not entertain I dont get the Imrie would cost too much, Morton are skint and have no money - according to the accounts that is one area we are not struggling in as much. Regardless of current league positions Partick Thistle would still be viewed as a bigger club to manage than Morton Edited November 5, 2022 by Third Lanark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted November 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Imrie has clearly shown ability as a Manager taking a team that was bottom with no budget to the team that is near top of the league - the others bar Courts have not. For what its worth I think there is at times a snobbery in some parts involved in running the club who would view Imrie as a wee ned type and wouldnt employ them- they would much rather a jobs for the boys type like who is a favourite to them. Imrie strikes me as telling it as it is, a motivator - someone we should be going for but sadly who i fear some of the snobs would not entertain I agree he has shown a good level ability as manager but prior to that was untried as a first team manager having been a coach at Livingston and a youth coach at Accies prior to that. I just don't think we should restrict ourselves to only people who have managed before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: I agree he has shown a good level ability as manager but prior to that was untried as a first team manager having been a coach at Livingston and a youth coach at Accies prior to that. I just don't think we should restrict ourselves to only people who have managed before. No but our first consideration should be to who has managed and has been successful and affordable and Imrie ticks those boxes before any of the assistants or coaches you mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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