Fearchar Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 As a keeper, I have to say that I thought Bonnar was talking p*sh in the following regard: Bottom line is that when the attacking team place a player 'on the keeper' it is (more often than not) to obstruct the keeper coming to do their job - under Law 12, two offences are flagged those being (a) the unspecified 'goalkeeper offences' and (b ) impeding a player/obstruction without being in control of the ball. Both of these aspects are picked up further down the examples of the law where: "It is an offence to restrict the movement of a goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him e.g. at the taking of a corner kick" For Bonnar to suggest that Fox somehow builds himself up so he can in some way wrestle his way round one of these obstructing players is nonsense. It's up to the ref and AR to spot these offences and get them flagged - not for Fox to risk selling a penalty. The trouble is that Scottish officials aren't inclined to punish any bodychecking on goalkeepers: they see it as normal, even although, by and large, it is punished in countries where a more attractive type of football is played. Go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briogadh Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Folk of a certain generation (like my Dad) always put Ledgerwood as a better keeper........ he even scored for us Even with the rose-tinted specs of nostalgia I could not agree ! I saw him play many times. A very good keeper, yes, but better than Rough or Niven or Walker ? I'm afraid not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhs Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) The trouble is that Scottish officials aren't inclined to punish any bodychecking on goalkeepers: they see it as normal, even although, by and large, it is punished in countries where a more attractive type of football is played. Go figure! Not according to the Caley game... Fox was well protected by the officials and rightly so. I haven't seen any examples this season where Fox has been unfairly impeded and he wasn't awarded a foul (that then led to a goal). Edited October 29, 2013 by mhs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Not according to the Caley game... Fox was well protected by the officials and rightly so. I haven't seen any examples this season where Fox has been unfairly impeded and he wasn't awarded a foul (that then led to a goal). That's true. One of the few things that the officials got right that day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Any (corners) so far this season? (I can't remember.) Doolan's at Ross County, Balatoni v Ayr, . . penalty against Hearts came form a corner methinks. Think we can add Sunday's goal, well almost. Everybody was still up in position and Celtic players had defended with one solitary touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Rough, John Arrol (briefly but very effectively), Nicky Walker, Craig Nelson are the keepers that have impressed me the most - others have, to some degree, flattered to deceive. If Arrol hadn't broken his leg, tragically,Rough would never had got back, Arrol was performing brilliantly and his leg break, IMO, caused us top ten that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Even with the rose-tinted specs of nostalgia I could not agree ! I saw him play many times. A very good keeper, yes, but better than Rough or Niven or Walker ? I'm afraid not. My dad said that Ledgerwood was a character, fine keeper but had some howlers. His party piece apparently was when coming for a cross against an opposing centre forward he would punch the ball and player, so said player would be flat out.Hahah!! My dad personally thought Niven was a GREAT keeper. He said Rangers let him go too early and Thistle benefited, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 My dad said that Ledgerwood was a character, fine keeper but had some howlers. His party piece apparently was when coming for a cross against an opposing centre forward he would punch the ball and player, so said player would be flat out.Hahah!! My dad personally thought Niven was a GREAT keeper. He said Rangers let him go too early and Thistle benefited, Niven was the Thistle keeper that I grew up watching, and I thought he was great, especially given that he was a wee punter. Mabawser, also from the Govan mob, was fat and clearly past it/uninterested when he replaced Niven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Of course, with all these great goalkeepers mentioned thus far, surely one of the best keepers we have ever produced is Billy Thomson. Although, being second to Roughie meant he hardly ever played for us but still made Under 23 squads at the time and went on to have a good career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Of course, with all these great goalkeepers mentioned thus far, surely one of the best keepers we have ever produced is Billy Thomson. Although, being second to Roughie meant he hardly ever played for us but still made Under 23 squads at the time and went on to have a good career. Good shout. Went on to win 7 full Scotland caps when he was at St Mirren (ain't Wiki great sometimes!). Only got 1 full team appearance for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tob Jag Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 If Arrol hadn't broken his leg, tragically,Rough would never had got back, Arrol was performing brilliantly and his leg break, IMO, caused us top ten that year. I'm just being pedantic but Jackie Campbell replaced John Arrol And I think Scruffie was immense but I also feel Scott Fox is working his way towards that status. I felt Paddy Bonnar was trying to be supportive and helpful as he sees the potential is there for a really good keeper. How many of you that are worried about Foxy not coming out of the six yard box remembers the days we all panicked when Scruffie decided to stray well outside his eighteen yard box playing sweeper keeper (or similar) Proud to be a Jags Fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I'm just being pedantic but Jackie Campbell replaced John Arrol And I think Scruffie was immense but I also feel Scott Fox is working his way towards that status. I felt Paddy Bonnar was trying to be supportive and helpful as he sees the potential is there for a really good keeper. How many of you that are worried about Foxy not coming out of the six yard box remembers the days we all panicked when Scruffie decided to stray well outside his eighteen yard box playing sweeper keeper (or similar) Proud to be a Jags Fan. I remember the save he made in that cup game.Drew, then typical Thistle lost the replay?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I remember the save he made in that cup game.Drew, then typical Thistle lost the replay?? Brilliant save it was too. Aye, lost 0-1. Roughie was already our established keeper by that time, but Auld seemed to take a scunner to him and Arrol got quite a long run of games. Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Of course, with all these great goalkeepers mentioned thus far, surely one of the best keepers we have ever produced is Billy Thomson. I'd disagree with you there - he was a competent-to-good keeper that tended to over egg the saves - he dived at absolutely everything! - and also had a fair few baws-ups. Nowadays if a keeper makes a spectacular diving save that wasn't really necessary we'd say 'get the cameras oot' ... back when I was in primary school in the late '70s we'd say 'billy f*kin thomson' ... still liked him though (as I used to play at st joes primary on garscube road) and to emulate him I used to make an over-egged diving save onto every passback and shout 'Thomson!!' (ahhh the days when you could pick up a passback and waste loads of time diving around on red ash pitches - instead of getting leathered with a brutal mitre mouldmaster ball happy days!) Anyway for those interested I've attached an old vid that sums up both Billy and the Scott Fox conundrum - watch the unnecessary dive at the free kick (56 seconds) ... swiftly followed a few seconds later by his outrushing at a corner and missing it completely - do we really want Foxy to be doing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I ... back when I was in primary school in the late '70s we'd say 'billy f*kin thomson' ... still liked him though (as I used to play at st joes primary on garscube road) Swearing in primary school, you Woodside boys must've been hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) I shared a taxi home with Campbell Money one night last season, talking about players n stuff and he said without a shadow Billy Thompson was one of the best keepers he'd seen... That was my "in", the rest of the journey was about discussing Thistle. The Girlfriend was gutted sharing a taxi with a st mirren legend talking about thistle's promotion campaign. Edited October 30, 2013 by potty trained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I shared a taxi home with Campbell Money one night last season, talking about players n stuff and he said without a shadow Billy Thompson was one of the best keepers he'd seen... That was my "in", the rest of the journey was about discussing Thistle. The Girlfriend was gutted sharing a taxi with a st mirren legend talking about thistle's promotion campaign. Money talks, Dave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Swearing in primary school, you Woodside boys must've been hard! we were feral ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Scott Fox getting a Scotland call up according to a paper tomorrow shown on sportscene. Premature? Always good to get international recognition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Heard that on Sportscene. I think I read somewhere the squad for the USA game is named tomorrow. Not got a high opinion of the press but you have to assume it's genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickAsThieves Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'd say he deserves it, considering a space has opened up with McGregor's injury. It's between him, MacDonald, Bell, Samson or Langfield so I fancy his chances. Glad we've got him tied down for next season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Needs to work on his box presence considerably if he's to make the step-up from number-maker-upper to challenging for the match-day squad but good to see some recognition for his top shot-stopping this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I trust Strachan's judgement over a guy who played footy over 20 years ago- albeit he's a GK. If true, tremendous recognition for the start that both the club & Fox have made to the season. Don't think ATS can be too far away either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Great news. Being involved can only help improve Scott's overall game. Looking forward to the inevitable chants of 'Scotland'd no.1'! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnyjag Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Superb if the newspaper claims come to fruition. Fox has been excellent this season and I have no doubt the TV coverage we have had will have raised his profile. I can think of 5 or 6 excellent saves he had made in the recent live games alone. Well done Foxy now celebrate by keeping a clean sheet tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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