potty trained Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 It's a pity none of the six have backed up their vote by being open on here. Nail your flag to the mast, boo boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 I'm not a boo boy, more of a pessimist (45 years of watching Thistle can make you like that) I was home recently but only got to the Celtic game, but my feeling is, since Hibs we seem to have gone backwards & the players confidence is down. I think we'll struggle to win any of the away games, and even on recent form there's no guarantees of home wins. The Hearts result & performance must have caused a huge amount of doubt in the squad. I think it might even have let Hibs off the hook. I honestly believe 11th is where we'll end up. As for the play-off, it really depends on who we get, but we would be facing a team who had to have won games to qualify. I think it would be very difficult no matter who we would play. Hope I'm wrong about all of this of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 I have voted 11th and win in play -off, which will be success. Looking forward to next season in the top tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) It's a pity none of the six have backed up their vote by being open on here. Nail your flag to the mast, boo boys. I have to admit one of the votes was mine, but I also have to say it was an error I meant to tick stay up automatically and I didn't have my specs handy! The reality is of course like evbery other Jags fan I really don't have a clue what'll happe, lacking the gift of prophecy like Chick Dung etc. Edited April 10, 2014 by stillresigned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Teams don't share pressure, you don't split it like an apple. Was there no pressure on thistle under DC? I honestly don't understand what your trying to say ? The premiership team is there because they have lost games the championship team is there because they have won games .... Pressure is more on won side IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 I voted 11th and relegated if that is of any help to you. So I am a pessimist perhaps you are a happy clappy, or I am a realist and you are an optimist. Takes all sorts to support Thistle doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 If we get relegated via the play-offs we can have no complaints. We were fortunate (as were the other bottom half teams) that the automatic relegation spot was effectively decided before a ball was kicked. As well as directly benefitting from Hearts' financial woes we might also have indirectly benefitted from Rangers - promoting Dundee and replacing them with Airdrie unarguably weakened the First Division that season - that's not to say we wouldn't still have won the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 The macabre side of me would wonder if Archie got sacked and a boo boy suggestion got appointed, what their stance would be if we lost 5 on the spin and got relegated. Have the nae Sayers actually suggested someone else to take over the position that won't become vacant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Have the nae Sayers actually suggested someone else to take over the position that won't become vacant? owen coyle would likely be in there. and gus mcpherson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Haven't voted yet, but think we will finish 11th. Haven't decided if we will win the play off due to a couple of things, ie..who we are playing and who/how we set our team up. I'm like evey other fan, don't want us anywhere near the play off, but looking ominous, I think. The thing that sticks out on this thread and over the last week or two, is the amount of name calling and calls for them to be named on this poll or as 1members favourite line, "put your real name to the post" to the members who do not think Archie is doing a decent job. Well firstly this is an open forum that is for all thistle fans from no hair to grey hair and everyone has an opinion, some may agree with and some will not. Secondly, if you wanted a closed forum that only Archie lovers can join and voice their love, then why not start a forum for yourself, instead of dishing out abuse and calling people names. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) Haven't voted yet, but think we will finish 11th. Haven't decided if we will win the play off due to a couple of things, ie..who we are playing and who/how we set our team up. I'm like evey other fan, don't want us anywhere near the play off, but looking ominous, I think. The thing that sticks out on this thread and over the last week or two, is the amount of name calling and calls for them to be named on this poll or as 1members favourite line, "put your real name to the post" to the members who do not think Archie is doing a decent job. Well firstly this is an open forum that is for all thistle fans from no hair to grey hair and everyone has an opinion, some may agree with and some will not. Secondly, if you wanted a closed forum that only Archie lovers can join and voice their love, then why not start a forum for yourself, instead of dishing out abuse and calling people names. I think it's perfectly legitimate for people to ask the true identity of posters. For all we know The Cup could be a St. Mirren fan trying to stir up discontent in the opposition ranks. The biggest problem with the internet is indeed anonymity. People can say things they would never dream of saying in real life because ultimately they won't be held responsible. All this stuff about Archie being as bad as DC, I'm willing to bet that none of these folk would ever dream of uttering those words during a game or in the pub when they are surrounded by other jags fans who could possibly identify them. All I'm asking from these folk is, if you really do feel this way, then be brave enough to put your real name to the posts. Let's hear how long you've been a jags fan for, who were your favourite players, managers etc. It's the same people with the same gripes who only show themselves after a defeat. I give you javeajag. To be fair to The Cup, he does show himself after a great victory. The problem is that he takes on a completely different personality and seems to instantly forget and forgive everything, almost becoming over confident. Then after the next defeat he goes back to the sack archie, worse than DC stuff. Edited April 11, 2014 by ian_mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partick monkey Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think it's perfectly legitimate for people to ask the true identity of posters. For all we know The Cup could be a St. Mirren fan trying to stir up discontent in the opposition ranks. The biggest problem with the internet is indeed anonymity. People can say things they would never dream of saying in real life because ultimately they won't be held responsible. All this stuff about Archie being as bad as DC, I'm willing to bet that none of these folk would ever dream of uttering those words during a game or in the pub when they are surrounded by other jags fans who could possibly identify them. All I'm asking from these folk is, if you really do feel this way, then be brave enough to put your real name to the posts. Let's hear how long you've been a jags fan for, who were your favourite players, managers etc. It's the same people with the same gripes who only show themselves after a defeat. I give you javeajag. To be fair to The Cup, he does show himself after a great victory. The problem is that he takes on a completely different personality and seems to instantly forget and forgive everything, almost becoming over confident. Then after the next defeat he goes back to the sack archie, worse than DC stuff. Completely disagree with this Ian.... If people want to put forward an opinion on an open forum anonymously then than is their absolute right. If St Mirren fans want to waste their time coming on here trying to turn the fans against Archie, I have no problem with this. I think you have to credit the vast majority if posters on here with a little more intelligence than you do and everyone is entitled to their opinion. What would be the point is a discussion board otherwise? Asking posters to reveal their identity is just a bit silly... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Completely disagree with this Ian.... If people want to put forward an opinion on an open forum anonymously then than is their absolute right. If St Mirren fans want to waste their time coming on here trying to turn the fans against Archie, I have no problem with this. I think you have to credit the vast majority if posters on here with a little more intelligence than you do and everyone is entitled to their opinion. What would be the point is a discussion board otherwise? Asking posters to reveal their identity is just a bit silly... I got round it by putting all the boo boys on ignore... But then folk quote their posts and you see they are laugh out loud funny or just far too easy to disprove. I think a couple are playing to the gallery, trolling wind up merchants if you will. Don't get me wrong, if folk have an honest gripe, that us quantifiable, then that becomes a debate or discussion. Ian, I think you need to remember not so long ago the 'abuse' that you me and Norge were taking on here regarding our negative outlook towards the board. We were a small minority, and folk didn't like the repetitive nature of some of our posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Completely disagree with this Ian.... If people want to put forward an opinion on an open forum anonymously then than is their absolute right. If St Mirren fans want to waste their time coming on here trying to turn the fans against Archie, I have no problem with this. I think you have to credit the vast majority if posters on here with a little more intelligence than you do and everyone is entitled to their opinion. What would be the point is a discussion board otherwise? Asking posters to reveal their identity is just a bit silly... I see what you're saying and of course respect your right to say it. But, when you think of all the nonsense that goes on with social media sites, and forums like P&B, where it's just endless threads of people giving each other abuse. It's anonymity that makes that all possible. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it has to be an informed opinion. The view that Archie is as bad a manager as DC is definitely not an informed opinion, and I don't think ANYONE would put their real name to an opinion like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiththejag Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I'm glad people care enough about the Jags to have an opinion, whatever it is. For me 11th and stay up after the play off. What this season has proved is theres a huge gulf in class between the Premiership and Championship. That will show over 2 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I would still love to know who the poster called JFK was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I would still love to know who the poster called JFK was Harry Ruby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Have the nae Sayers actually suggested someone else to take over the position that won't become vacant? I did ask The Cup over on the other thread three or four times for suggestions but he/she appears to have found the idea of naming suitable candidates too baffling a concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Devil's Point Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think we'll stay up. I think we've got enough, but see a couple of expensive trips to Edinburgh coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 WHY do members or as they are being called "nae sayers" have to name a replacement? I personally do not think Archie is the man to carry us forward, but just because I think this, why do I have to name a replacement. I hope he proves me wrong and in 5 yrs time he is still with us as manager, but at this time I doubt it. Do all owners or directors of clubs who sack their manager name a replacement straight off. If Archie does go before the start of next season, then I would have Hartley, but who's to say the club would want a scottish manager. They may look down south, all ifs and buts until things settle down and we know where we are playing next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 WHY do members or as they are being called "nae sayers" have to name a replacement? I personally do not think Archie is the man to carry us forward, but just because I think this, why do I have to name a replacement. I hope he proves me wrong and in 5 yrs time he is still with us as manager, but at this time I doubt it. Do all owners or directors of clubs who sack their manager name a replacement straight off. If Archie does go before the start of next season, then I would have Hartley, but who's to say the club would want a scottish manager. They may look down south, all ifs and buts until things settle down and we know where we are playing next year. So you want Archie sacked but you don't have a clue what we should do after that? Sounds like a great plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 So you want Archie sacked but you don't have a clue what we should do after that? Sounds like a great plan. Please show me where I said I want him sacked!!!! And please read the second paragraph, where it states that I would have Hartley. Also if you really want to act like a smart ass, what is your suggestion/ plan if we are relegated this yr and we lose most of our so called best players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougthejag Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Doesn't seem to be much between the 5 excluding Hearts so the odds seem to favour us missing the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Every bookie makes us favourites for the play off spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) Please show me where I said I want him sacked!!!! And please read the second paragraph, where it states that I would have Hartley. Also if you really want to act like a smart ass, what is your suggestion/ plan if we are relegated this yr and we lose most of our so called best players. You said you didn't think Archie was the man to carry us forward. Which, to me, means that you don't want him to be the manager of the club. But you say you don't want him sacked? All very confusing. We wouldn't be able to get Hartley, He's just joined Dundee and I don't see him jumping ship just yet. You are right when you say we would need to rebuild the team in the event of relegation. But relegation this year wouldn't be a disaster. The board haven't broke the bank to try and stay up, plus we would be in line for some big receipts next season. We could start building a squad with no pressure or expectation to get promoted. Play-offs would be a bonus. The experience the players would gain from playing against some big teams in that league would put us in a great position to challenge for promotion the year after. In the event of relegation there is no one I would trust to rebuild the squad more than Archie. I would rather go down playing great football than stay up playing mind numbing long balls to no one. People seem to have this belief about us having a divine right to be in the top division, even though it's our first time in that division for 10 years. It's complete nonsense. Since 2000 we have actually spent as much time in the 2nd division as we have in the top flight. Regardless of all that though, I still believe we will stay up by finishing 10th or higher. Edited April 11, 2014 by ian_mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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