eljaggo Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 With Strachan now gone, the BBC have O'Neill as the favorite to succeed him, but with some difficulties for the SFA to sort out regarding compensation and salary. A possible risk to Thistle is that the SFA won't pay for a top quality manager with international credentials, and instead recruit a club manager, and that starts a domino effect that sees Archibald move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) I'd say McInnes is the only possibility as a potential domino effect involving Archie. Don't see it though. Levein's an obvious non-starter and Lennon is far too divisive. Edited October 12, 2017 by allyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightswood Jag Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Would’ve rather kept Strachan to be honest but I’d go for Paul Lambert if there was no choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policemans whistle Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 It's odds on that we will have the same discussion in four years time. For that to alter, the league set up must change, but the old firm will not allow that to happen. Europe must come first for them. We also need to find some way of getting more Scottish youngsters playing in our leagues, Thistle included. I know this will never happen, but what I would like to see is 1/ A sixteen team league with no relegation for three years. To get this passed, we need someone with better brains than me, so that the 12 teams at the moment would not lose out in gate money 2/The SFA to give grants to cover the wages of any player under 21, who plays for clubs in the 1st and 2nd division, with some provision that they play at least 3 and they are Scottish. Me being one of the older generation can remember many top players coming out of the old 1st division and some going onto represent there country. John White and Eddie Mc Creadie just to name two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paralytic thistle Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Me being one of the older generation can remember many top players coming out of the old 1st division and some going onto represent there country. John White and Eddie Mc Creadie just to name two. Tony Green, Albion Rovers is another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Would’ve rather kept Strachan to be honest but I’d go for Paul Lambert if there was no choice. Lambert is just another Old Firm toady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Some of the names the bookies have priced up would make you shudder. McCoist,Levein,Stubbs,Lennon etc. The money seems to be on Moyes however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 It's odds on that we will have the same discussion in four years time. For that to alter, the league set up must change, but the old firm will not allow that to happen. Europe must come first for them. We also need to find some way of getting more Scottish youngsters playing in our leagues, Thistle included. I know this will never happen, but what I would like to see is 1/ A sixteen team league with no relegation for three years. To get this passed, we need someone with better brains than me, so that the 12 teams at the moment would not lose out in gate money 2/The SFA to give grants to cover the wages of any player under 21, who plays for clubs in the 1st and 2nd division, with some provision that they play at least 3 and they are Scottish. Me being one of the older generation can remember many top players coming out of the old 1st division and some going onto represent there country. John White and Eddie Mc Creadie just to name two. Ron Years, Charlie Cooke, Ian St.John and our own Alex Forsyth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted October 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 I too would like to see a root and branch review and subsequent reform of Scottish football, but I very much doubt whether the search for a new manager will be the trigger to set that in motion. The only hope for change would be if they managed to attract a really top-flight international manager who had sufficient leverage to demand changes as a condition to accepting the job. The chance of Scotland attracting such a person is vanishingly small, and I think we will end up with the status quo in terms of coaching and league structure, with SFA talking up another manager that their limited budget can afford. The split in responsibilty (I use that word loosely) between the leagues and the SFA is a huge impediment to change, and the Henry McLeish review was an opportunity wasted (perhaps the choice of Macleish was a way of limiting expectations of radical change). We have become a poor footballing nation, and nothing will fundamentally change unless the Old Firm's grip is removed. Why the chairmen of the rest of the clubs cannot grow the cojones to sort this out is beyond me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 I thought the policeman's whistle was really meaning the old 2nd division tho' I think Falkirk were in the top tier when John White went south. I like the idea of financial incentives for clubs in the first division to play younger players. Provided it's not just a token sum it could work whereas a compulsory demand on clubs would no doubt be shunned upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Malky Mackay takes interim charge for next match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Malky Mackay takes interim charge for next match. Fantastic example to use for Let's Kick Racism! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policemans whistle Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Sorry. Yes I did mean the 2nd division, but John White went from Alloa to Falkirk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted October 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 My only footballing claim to fame was playing against John White, while he was doing his national service at Berwick upon Tweed. Unbelievably quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) My only footballing claim to fame was playing against John White, while he was doing his national service at Berwick upon Tweed. Unbelievably quick. My God - Kudos fellow!! That won't be bettered on this or any other forum for sure! For those who don't know, John White died in 1964 due to a lightning strike on a golf course. He played for Alloa, Falkirk, Spurs and Scotland. At the time of his death he was Scotland's eminent 'inside forward' alongside Jim Baxter. The nature of football has changed so much since the sixties, but if you want a rough comparison (and it can only be a rough comparison) then Stuart Armstrong is today's John White with a bit more speed, and a little less class. And that's meant as a compliment to both players. Edited October 13, 2017 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 As Barney says, eljaggo. Kudos!. Was the regiment by any chance the KOSBs? May well have posted this before but my first international match I attended was a 2-0 win for Scotland v England at Hampden in '62. I'm not the least bit superstitious but when Scotland came back out for the lap of honour the only player to have swapped his top was John White. Unlike other famous Scottish players I've never heard anyone say anything other than White was a magnificent footballer. Suppose it's easy to eulogise about someone who died so young and under such circumstances but, tho' different types of players, it wouldn't be out of place to think of White as our Duncan Edwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 As regards a scotland manager I thought Steve Clarke was reasonable shout but the word is he is coming north to Kilmarnock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted October 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Yep LIB, it was the QOSB regiment he was in, and I have to come clean and say that it was a bounce game between the squaddies and my school's army cadet force. Surprisingly the squaddies won. My only recollection is trying to tackle White, and before I had worked out what foot to use he was past me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Fantastic example to use for Let's Kick Racism! Whole red card thing is a joke up here while one club's fans are allowed to chant about hating catholics very week with no sanctions. Racist bigotry bad ... religious bigotry - we don't hear anything is the SFA/SPFL rule apparently. I laugh ironically (or would if I knew how you actually do that) when I see pictures of TRFC players holding up these red cards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) Whole red card thing is a joke up here while one club's fans are allowed to chant about hating catholics very week with no sanctions. Racist bigotry bad ... religious bigotry - we don't hear anything is the SFA/SPFL rule apparently. I laugh ironically (or would if I knew how you actually do that) when I see pictures of TRFC players holding up these red cards. Last night being a textbook example ten minutes after holding those silly card up we were treated to the usual Sevco songbook which anyone who was at Firhill a few weeks back would be only too familiar with? Edited October 14, 2017 by stillresigned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Malky Mackay, David Moyes, Paul Lambert...we’d have been better keeping Strachan right enough. Mistakes were made and 2016 was a disaster. However 2017 delivered 14/18 qualification points. Michael O’Neill is an interesting candidate but he has been given longer than any Scottish manager to turn things around for The Failed Statelet. Like other (relatively) successful smaller nations he’s now got a settled core through the team. This was lacking with Scotland, especially last season. In fact only one player started 75% of our Euro qualifiers, Andy Robertson of Liverpool. This also dispels the old pals act to a degree aimed at Strachan. (Which manager doesn’t have favourite players, to a degree, though?) O’Neill has won as many games as Strachan but in 12 more games. Norn Ireland have done well in last two qualifiers but Euro place was secured via a third place finish and they had a pretty favourable group this time. I guess I’m not totally convinced but if he can take his team to Russia via the playoffs he’d be worth serious consideration. Anyway, International Football is sh1te 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfist Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Wanted strachan to stay. Think many in the media had the knives out for him long ago though. If Mackay gets the job it just sums up everything that is wrong with Scottish football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Mackay won’t. Probably Lambert or Moyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I think Archie would be a perfect fit for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgaejag Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) I think Archie would be a perfect fit for the job. Of course for millions of £££ compensation Edited October 17, 2017 by lithgaejag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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