watties wallies Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Right I'll ask the obvious. What is Christie Elliott's correct position? barney i'll answer your question elliott gives 100% to the cause i remember well the goal at airdrie however and i really don't like saying this but christie at best should be an impact player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, watties wallies said: barney i'll answer your question elliott gives 100% to the cause i remember well the goal at airdrie however and i really don't like saying this but christie at best should be an impact player Thanks WW - but you haven't really answered the question - so I'll repeat, what is Christie Elliott's correct position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watties wallies Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 christie is actually a centre forward if i were picking the team he would not be in my starting 11 he is imho an honest professional gives 100% but never feels at ease playing fullback if i were archie i would stick him up front he has the physique and pace that would maybe trouble an opposition defence maybe as a sub late on in the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of spain Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 hours ago, allyo said: I really don't agree with this. When played in his correct position I think Christie Elliott has become a very good player. What a bonkers reply. His correct position as a converted right back as he’s proven he’s mince everywhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Barney Rubble said: Right I'll ask the obvious. What is Christie Elliott's correct position? Right wing back. No question in my mind. Weirdly, I don't actually think he's particularly adaptable. I've never seen him playing nearly as well in any other position, with possible exception of wide right in a 4-4-2 (which is a similar position). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Yellow & Redneck said: Would be interesting for a stats man to find out what his average conceded goals per game was. I make it he's made 39 first team competitive and friendly appearances (including 5 as substitute). Goals conceded = 59 when starting the game = roughly 1.5 per game. 8 shut-outs in these 34 starts. More difficult to work out goals conceded when he came on as a sub. The 5 games saw 7 goals conceded but the scores when he came on are not readily to hand (by me at least!). ETA:- I think the 8 shut-outs include any as a sub so it's 8 in 39. Edited May 27, 2018 by a f kincaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, king of spain said: What a bonkers reply. His correct position as a converted right back as he’s proven he’s mince everywhere else? Bonkers because you disagree? I think people still judge Christie Elliott partly on the basis that he was a rubbish striker, and partly because there are constant true but slightly patronising comments referencing his fitness and work rate. But he hasn't been a striker for about 5 years. Judged purely on his abilities and performances as a right back, particularly over the last two seasons, I think he's a good player, easily good enough for Thistle. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Christie Elliott and where we play him is about the least of our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 I think Elliot is an excellent right back 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_adam Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Interesting to know heard from another coach whom works elsewhere and who knows Archie well (also an ex jag) said he had a conversation with Archie about 4 weeks ago and that the clear out was going to happen whether we stayed up or went down. Apparently he admitted he was having trouble with the dressing room and Osman was causing more trouble by introducing a no confidence in Archie situation. No idea if its truth or just another lot of bull. Lets be honest most of what comes out peoples mouths about this sort of stuff lacks integrity and honesty, so believe it if you want but to me it makes a lot of sense, especially when you hear Archies interview, I think a lot of players had decided they were heading for the exit door anyway! moving on though, well done to archie for clearing out the dead wood. Actually excited for a summer signing spree for the first time in years! bring it on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinistar Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just to add a meaningless fact to the conspiracy theory, have a look at the Playing Squad Update list on the main site - When one looks at this section - PLAYERS NOT OFFERED A CONTRACT FOR SEASON 2018/19 - Osman's names is at the very top of the list yet every name that follows is in perfect alphabetical order; Booth, Devine, Dumbaya etc. I'm a bit sad that he's offski; he was a man machine when he first came to the club / subsequent seasons and was always great with the fans. Poor in the last season though, granted. Maybe he was frustrated through injury, who knows. Will definitely look back and remember him fondly in the future though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 I’m delighted Osman away - always seemed a liability to me & this last 18 months hasn’t appeared to even want to put in a shift. Waste of a wage for me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) Stuart Adam's post is interesting on a number of fronts. If any of it is halfway true - and for the purposes of debate let's assume it is - then it's an admission by Archie that he wasn't in control of certain elements in that dressing room and that his recruitment policy was brutally flawed. An admission of that nature with four weeks to go suggest that he may have been hoping to get over the line safely before bleaching the squad. If that was the case then he ran out of luck. To me there was certainly plenty of evidence in the performances post the break that only elements of the squad (rather than the whole squad) were behind him. Two wins out of sixteen (eighteen including the play-offs) screams a story. The only thing that feels better one week on is that there are 11 whose presence in a Jags shirt we will not have to suffer ever again. I'll exonerate Booth, Edwards and Lawless all of whose contributions were certainly worthy over the last few years. Edited May 27, 2018 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 If any of this was true, particularly the Osman thing, then Archie should’ve publicly fired him. Can’t stand for that & I think could’ve helped the other players concentrate on the task in hand. Letting Osman shuffle off to milk another club is too good for him. Starting to sound like I have a personal vendetta with him, I don’t, just think he was the most underperforming player & give he was meant to be captain, inexcusable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Barney Rubble said: Stuart Adam's post is interesting on a number of fronts. If any of it is halfway true - and for the purposes of debate let's assume it is - then it's an admission by Archie that he wasn't in control of certain elements in that dressing room and that his recruitment policy was brutally flawed. Can you clarify how Osman disrupting tje dressing room demonstrates Archie's recruitment policy is brutally flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, potty trained said: Can you clarify how Osman disrupting tje dressing room demonstrates Archie's recruitment policy is brutally flawed. I said it was up for debate. I didn't link the two together - you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kenny Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Had heard the Osman rumour, more around the fact he was playing silly buggers with his injury and making himself unavailable. He didn’t kick a ball for the last few seasons anyway, lived off his first 2 seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: I said it was up for debate. I didn't link the two together - you did. Ok, I'll continue pulling teeth. What, in your opinion, demonstrated Archie's recruitment policy was brutally flawed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, potty trained said: Ok, I'll continue pulling teeth. What, in your opinion, demonstrated Archie's recruitment policy was brutally flawed? Dumbuya (12 games in two years)!!!, Nitriansky, Storey, Pogba, Azeez,. If I was being really nasty, which I'm not, Woods could be added to that list. Edited May 27, 2018 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin energy Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Osman should have been shown the door and Archie should have been stronger and tell the rest if they want to follow Osman their is the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Dumbuya (12 games in two years)!!!, Nitriansky, Storey, Pogba, Azeez,. If I was being really nasty, which I'm not, Woods could be added to that list. So nothing to do with the revelations in Stuart's post as you originally suggested. In fact it reads like you were actually just using Stuart's post to have a dig at the manager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just because a rumour is repeated ad nauseum doesn't make it anything more than what it is, a rumour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, potty trained said: So nothing to do with the revelations in Stuart's post as you originally suggested. In fact it reads like you were actually just using Stuart's post to have a dig at the manager. You only have to look at last season to have a dig at the manager, and rightly so, not just off the back of someones post. For talking sake, say we stayed up, would we have had the same clear out? I would say yes. In that case, Archie would need to build a squad capable of remaining in the top flight. In my opinion, that squad should have been better than any team in the championship. As we now find ourselves in that very same championship, Archie should be capable of assembling a team capable of winning the league. There can be no more excuses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 There's an element of 2+2=5 in your post there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_adam Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 Yeah have to remember guys, as I said although this came from an Ex Jags player who is now coach at another club, it could well be a case of chinese whispers. He also mentioned that numerous other clubs coaches were aware of situation and nobody up north would touch Osman with a barge pole. Whether or not its true, I am for one just glad he finally realised the team were his biggest problem this season, Yes he signed most of them, but he also led us to our best finish ever last year. Dont get me wrong, I wanted Archie out months ago, and again after last Sunday, but the clubs stuck by him, and as far as im concerned the matter is closed, Archie will have my full support again next term. Players will come and go; but the fans will always stick by the Jags! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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