Dick Dastardly Posted July 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, dl1971 said: Is their QC Woodside Jag by any chance? I think it sounds more like Woodstock Jag myself Edited July 1, 2020 by Dick Dastardly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Daily Record running ‘live’ updates. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-court-battle-live-hearts-22282139 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, dl1971 said: Is their QC Woodstock Jag by any chance? For those who had taken the time to read my version of War and Peace, they'd know that just about the only thing I haven't expressed a view on is whether the matter ought more properly to go to SFA arbitration (which is what they've been arguing about all day). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: For those who had taken the time to read my version of War and Peace, they'd know that just about the only thing I haven't expressed a view on is whether the matter ought more properly to go to SFA arbitration (which is what they've been arguing about all day). And what is your view on that ? Holds head in hands wondering what he's let himself in for 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: For those who had taken the time to read my version of War and Peace, they'd know that just about the only thing I haven't expressed a view on is whether the matter ought more properly to go to SFA arbitration (which is what they've been arguing about all day). Are you serious and deal with Ian Maxwell who couldn’t even run the lottery properly at Firhill ! The SFA should have stepped in long before now to mediate , are they not meant to be overseeing all of Scottish Football , if they had it wouldn’t have got to this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: And what is your view on that ? Holds head in hands wondering what he's let himself in for reference was made to a St Johnstone v the SFA case in 1965 which the saints won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: And what is your view on that ? Holds head in hands wondering what he's let himself in for I don't have a firm view on it. I suspect it will be ruled that we should have gone to arbitration and should have done so two months ago, though. As best I understand it (I wasn't dialling in) the QC for DUFC/RRFC/CRFC was basically saying exactly that: the only reason there isn't enough time for arbitration to reach a conclusion before next season starts is because the proceedings were only initiated a month or so before the season was due to restart. If it goes to arbitration the best we can hope for is some sort of ex gratia solidarity payment as a token gesture of how ****** we are. If it goes to the Court of Session on the substance (as I've said elsewhere) I think our legal case (to annul promotion and relegation) is unlikely to succeed (or at least not in a way that advances our interests). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Are you serious and deal with Ian Maxwell who couldn’t even run the lottery properly at Firhill ! The SFA should have stepped in long before now to mediate , are they not meant to be overseeing all of Scottish Football , if they had it wouldn’t have got to this stage. For the SFA to arbitrate the Clubs would have had to have raised a dispute with them in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: For the SFA to arbitrate the Clubs would have had to have raised a dispute with them in the first place. This was the same SFA who actually wrote to UEFA to say they were going to call the Leagues before the Vote had actually taken place , hence one of the reasons why the SPFL were so keen to push through the vote at all costs ( Dundee vote etc ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Would the fact that Maxie is a former Thistle employee have any bearing on the SFA being a fair arbitrator ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Would the fact that Maxie is a former Thistle employee have any bearing on the SFA being a fair arbitrator ? Only if we were the ones objecting that... the SFA would be biased in our favour...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Or that he might be biased against us so that he is not seen to be favouring a former employer. Basically, is it possible for him to be impartial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Would the fact that Maxie is a former Thistle employee have any bearing on the SFA being a fair arbitrator ? Maxwell being fair to us? Hahaha. He's a pure establishment man and corrupt as the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 The Arbitration Act of 2010. Has Thompson played a blinder for us ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Woodstock Jag said: I don't have a firm view on it. I suspect it will be ruled that we should have gone to arbitration and should have done so two months ago, though. As best I understand it (I wasn't dialling in) the QC for DUFC/RRFC/CRFC was basically saying exactly that: the only reason there isn't enough time for arbitration to reach a conclusion before next season starts is because the proceedings were only initiated a month or so before the season was due to restart. If it goes to arbitration the best we can hope for is some sort of ex gratia solidarity payment as a token gesture of how ****** we are. If it goes to the Court of Session on the substance (as I've said elsewhere) I think our legal case (to annul promotion and relegation) is unlikely to succeed (or at least not in a way that advances our interests). My memory of the timeline may not be correct. I thought that the legal action was only initiated once the final vote/poll was voted down by the clubs, which is maybe 2 weeks ago ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Lenziejag said: My memory of the timeline may not be correct. I thought that the legal action was only initiated once the final vote/poll was voted down by the clubs, which is maybe 2 weeks ago ? Exactly. The DU/RR/CR argument will be that arbitration would have been suitable (in terms of timescale) if we took the dispute there immediately after the original SPFL resolution was deemed to have passed. And that it’s not their fault Hearts and Thistle waited so long to raise a grievance, so they (Hearts and Thistle) can’t now argue “arbitration is unsuitable because there isn’t enough time”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Woodstock Jag said: Exactly. The DU/RR/CR argument will be that arbitration would have been suitable (in terms of timescale) if we took the dispute there immediately after the original SPFL resolution was deemed to have passed. And that it’s not their fault Hearts and Thistle waited so long to raise a grievance, so they (Hearts and Thistle) can’t now argue “arbitration is unsuitable because there isn’t enough time”. The original SPFL resolution ? Pretty sure that if we had raised a dispute before the SPFL process was complete, we would have been told to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Woodstock Jag said: Exactly. The DU/RR/CR argument will be that arbitration would have been suitable (in terms of timescale) if we took the dispute there immediately after the original SPFL resolution was deemed to have passed. And that it’s not their fault Hearts and Thistle waited so long to raise a grievance, so they (Hearts and Thistle) can’t now argue “arbitration is unsuitable because there isn’t enough time”. Why on earth would we want the SFA to arbitrate this when it was obvious re letter of intent that the SFA and the SPFL were working alongside each other . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: The original SPFL resolution ? Pretty sure that if we had raised a dispute before the SPFL process was complete, we would have been told to wait. That’s the consequence of being part of a member organisation with a broad arbitration agreement at its core. 12 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Why on earth would we want the SFA to arbitrate this when it was obvious re letter of intent that the SFA and the SPFL were working alongside each other . We don’t. But when we joined the SFA we agreed to be bound by its arbitration rules. Thats just how it is. If we don’t like it we are free not to be affiliated. No one is forcing us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Garscube Road End said: Maxwell being fair to us? Hahaha. He's a pure establishment man and corrupt as the rest. As I’ve said before, all he is interested in is the blazer; but he’s a man of limited organisational ability. Remember when we had that 4 team pre-season tournament a few years ago? Well he disappeared on annual leave immediately prior to it, leaving others to pick up the loose ends. He makes the King of Spain look like Einstein. Edited July 1, 2020 by sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 I wouldn't have thought it was appropriate to initiate legal action while 'meankngful' discussions on reconstruction were taking place and which only ended two weeks ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, exiledjag said: I wouldn't have thought it was appropriate to initiate legal action while 'meankngful' discussions on reconstruction were taking place and which only ended two weeks ago! That’s not a legal argument though. That’s a small p political one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: That’s not a legal argument though. That’s a small p political one. I wasn't suggesting it was a legal argument nor in fact as you describe it, a small p political argument! I was simply trying to say that when you enter into a process to find a solution you don't compromise the process by threatening and alternative and aggressive course of action in the event a solution is not attained. That would demonstrate a lack of good faith! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said: That’s the consequence of being part of a member organisation with a broad arbitration agreement at its core. We don’t. But when we joined the SFA we agreed to be bound by its arbitration rules. Thats just how it is. If we don’t like it we are free not to be affiliated. No one is forcing us. Is there not meant to be some impartiality from both bodies, they should be standalone organisations and if they had been it would have been easier for the SFA to mediate if there was a problem, instead between them Maxwell and Doncaster decided to call the season. Re the rule book , I’m sure coercion isn’t amongst the rules . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARu-Strathbungo Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 14 hours ago, Garscube Road End said: Maxwell being fair to us? Hahaha. He's a pure establishment man and corrupt as the rest. I'm afraid IM is typical of the breed, that he has found himself in a job that he has little or no skills to hold, and is getting paid an enormous annual salary . He will not be the one to 'rock the boat', it's more likely he will keep quiet and just hope he can keep earing his inflated wage for a few more years until he can qualify for an SFA pension. That is his purpose in life .... arbitrate over the current clusterfvck in Scottish football is something he has little interest in doing. [IMO] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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