MWM Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Its fantastic. It redistributes finance to the second tier, it brings in the play-offs which have proven to be successful in generating competitive football, excitement and large attendances. Maintaining full-time football should no longer be a problem for the established second tier clubs. Anyone picking faults is nitpicking in the face of the evidence at hand. Â A great day and this will finally put the ridiculous 16 team league nonsense to bed. Now we can forget the reconstruction bollocks and talk football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernsoul Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Err, that's exactly what we had back in 95-96, when we got relegated and Dundee Utd went up. And then what happened? They immediately got rid of the play-offs after they'd got rid of us. Â No they didn't. They got rid of the play-offs after the 1996/97 season after Hibs beat Airdrie over two legs to stay up. That Airdrie side finished second in the First Division, while we finished sixth in MacLeod's last season in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 It's an improvement. 1 league body, redistribution of wealth and more movement between leagues is a step forward. I am not all for summer football as it means we go out of synch with European leagues but starting say 1 week earlier and finishing 1 or 2 weeks later would probably be good. A winter break gives pitches, players and supporters a rest regardless of when the winter is at its peak. Nothing finer than watching a game in the sun. Â Does this mean we get more money? Â I have to admit I did like the 8-8-8 split. Helped solve the problem of playing the same old teams. You would have everyone in Top 12 play each other twice with people fighting to get into the Top 8. Then the change happens. Top 8 battle it out, hopefully with teams taking points of each other to even things up. Middle 8 are playing for promotion and relegation so there would be 4 different teams to play against and a keen contest. Bottom 8 fight for promotion with 50% success rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 So, being totally selfish, 2 weeks after we win our rights to ride on the gravy train, it gets diluted and they bring back the playoff, last used to relegate us. Â Shall I write the season's end now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 SCOTTISH FOOTBALL IN SENSIBLE DECISION SHOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 So, being totally selfish, 2 weeks after we win our rights to ride on the gravy train, it gets diluted and they bring back the playoff, last used to relegate us. Â Shall I write the season's end now ? Â Let's face it though, we're always going to be in a relegation dogfight next season anyway. More money is going to be spread around, that's the main thing. And maybe this time next year they'll reorganise the leagues to be bigger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernsoul Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 If we didn't win the league this season, then we would be welcoming these decisions. Â Be careful you're not falling into the self preservation camp. Not ideal but it's positive that there will be play offs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 So, being totally selfish, 2 weeks after we win our rights to ride on the gravy train, it gets diluted and they bring back the playoff, last used to relegate us. Â Shall I write the season's end now ? Let's face it though, we're always going to be in a relegation dogfight next season anyway. More money is going to be spread around, that's the main thing. And maybe this time next year they'll reorganise the leagues to be bigger! Â If the wealth redistribution proposals are the same as before then where we'll finish will depend on whether we'd be better off. I think it works out that the top 3 clubs lost most, the next 3 lose some then the rest gain money and the teams in the first gain a whole lot. Â So in theory if we were to finish in the bottom 6 but out of the playoffs then we'd be better off than we would have been should this not be passed. Â If we didn't win the league this season, then we would be welcoming these decisions. Â Be careful you're not falling into the self preservation camp. Not ideal but it's positive that there will be play offs. Â That is the worry! But the big upside to this is that whilst there are more relegation places, it would be much easier to have a good shot at getting promoted should we drop down and the financial impact of being relegated is much more diluted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsman411971 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 If clubs like St Johnstone, Inverness and St Mirren can survive in the SPL, then I've no doubt that we can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 If clubs like St Johnstone, Inverness and St Mirren can survive in the SPL, then I've no doubt that we can do it. Â Exactly. It's just about making the right choice of manager and right choice of players. Â We've got crowds that match those teams so there's no financial disparity in that sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsman411971 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) playoff is 4th vs 3rd, with winner playing 2nd, then the winner plays 11th  home and away for each round  So 3rd and 4th placed teams could end up playing 6 games over a couple of weeks Edited May 7, 2013 by jagsman411971 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Following not related to topic but as unworthy of a thread. Â WARNING! Â Tonight's Evening Times sports pages contain disturbing photographs of Nacho Novo. Just ordinary photos of him but disturbing nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peagreenboy Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 playoff is 4th vs 3rd, with winner playing 2nd, then the winner plays 11th  home and away for each round  So 3rd and 4th placed teams could end up playing 6 games over a couple of weeks  Hmm. Heavily weighted on the SPL team then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsman411971 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Hmm. Heavily weighted on the SPL team then? That was the idea I believe. Had to make it a playoff that would be as easy as possible for top division club, or they would not have voted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 I think we have to look long term. Short term - crap. Long term - good. Â However, simply adding a playoff isn't going to revolutionise the game. Not much extra excitement really. Â Shame the 6 6 6 is gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 No they didn't. They got rid of the play-offs after the 1996/97 season after Hibs beat Airdrie over two legs to stay up. That Airdrie side finished second in the First Division, while we finished sixth in MacLeod's last season in charge. Â Thanks for correction. In either case, it was a decision to protect the favoured few. At least today's decision lowers their protection a wee bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Wow. Moving towards the absolutely perfect set up. Some common sense at last. I almost can't believe it. I really hope this goes through. Â I guess the stupid and completely meaningless 6-6 remains in place? Â Please feel free to shoot me if you see me going absolutely mental because my team has just finished 6th in any league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 In my opinion the move towards a single governing body is the most important thing for the moment. (unless the SPL teams only vote it through with the proviso that 11 SPL clubs have to vote for any changes in future!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Shame the 6 6 6 is gone  I am pleased that it has gone - a devil of a plan! Edited May 7, 2013 by kni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 playoff is 4th vs 3rd, with winner playing 2nd, then the winner plays 11th  home and away for each round  So 3rd and 4th placed teams could end up playing 6 games over a couple of weeks  Good news, so I'm just nit picking really. But if this is the case then why is the SPL making the rules for how the First Division should determine which team enters the play-off? I think top four in a ten team league is too much. We didn't deserve to exit the second division after finishing fourth. I'd rather a straight play-off between second top and second bottom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Good news, so I'm just nit picking really. But if this is the case then why is the SPL making the rules for how the First Division should determine which team enters the play-off? I think top four in a ten team league is too much. We didn't deserve to exit the second division after finishing fourth. I'd rather a straight play-off between second top and second bottom. Â It would make sense. Alternatively 2nd and 3rd in the First Division play-off to decide who plays the the 11th club in the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 I believe the important thing is to firstly have the two bodies merging. After that the leagues could reconstruct into something a bit more palatable. It may require the lower leagues showing the way but we shouldn't take our eye off the real malaise ie playing each other 4 times a season. We've just had the most memorable of seasons but had we failed to get promotion I and I presume many others would be pointing out that we only competed in all competitions against 13 different clubs over 45 competitive games. That's just crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 playoff is 4th vs 3rd, with winner playing 2nd, then the winner plays 11th  home and away for each round  So 3rd and 4th placed teams could end up playing 6 games over a couple of weeks  I always liked that idea in theory, properly handicapping the four team playoff (I'd switch around 11th and 2nd though, it should favour the second placed team most). But you have alluded to the reason why this couldn't happen, if they wanted this before the season's end (Scottish Cup final), the leagues would need to finish well in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 If this goes through, I can't see it changing for the foreseeable future. Probably at least 4/5 years before the next stage. Hopefully by then the sfl teams will be strong enough to merit a larger top league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorey Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Ideal scenario - we finish tenth on a single goal difference to DU in eleventh and Dundee beat them in the play off final on penalties. Happy days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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