Thistle V Celtic - The Actual Game

[soulful_jag]

True re Forbes today but I think today has been the exception. The thing is too with guys like Forbes and Lawless not starting, Craigen, Bannigan and Higginbotham are the three guys they are currently up against for a place in the team. Craigen is the guy who is profiting from Lawless dropping to the bench, and while he's not as creative, he does provide plenty of pace and drive from midfield. On his day Lawless is better, but he's not in form.

[read'n'yell]

When the stretcher was brought on for Samaras and he jumped up before it got there should that not have been an automatic booking?

 

Horrible **** of a player.

 

In fairness he didn't come back on and had to get stitches on his leg.

[potty trained]

 

Stream of consciousness after an overlong stay in the pub, surely?

 

It was a stream of "something" he posted.

[Auld Yin]

Rather than gie out insults, the poster asked you to elaborate. He has an opinion what's yours? Or don't you have enough intelligence to give an opinion at least he has given his, where's yours?

 

[Metz]

 

 

His form was pants because he was carrying an injury, he uses the ball better than any other player we have and when he does lose the ball more often than not he will fight to get it back. Lets no beat about the bush here, on his day he is a cracking player and it now looks as if football politics are coming into play, maybe because he hasnt signed a new deal ? bit unfair if thats the case cos neither has sinclair and both paton and erskine didnt get dropped despite comitting there future careers to dundee utd in jan last year.

 

I would also rather he was peed off about not starting rather than not giving a hoot it means he does actually care about playing for the club and not being in the team.

 

Can someone enlighten me on the fuss he has made about a new contract aswell i canny be reading the right papers and the players in this league arent a foot taller or wider than the ones from last year so i canny accept the bullied excuse either that keeps cropping up when your no the biggest, he got kicked about all last year but because he was scoring goals and tied up for a while it was fine.

 

Another thing that might be annoying him is the fact that craigen and elliott are getting a shout before him aswell lawless forbes and baird for that matter are all better players than both of them and anyone who has played the game ( and i have albeit a while ago now ) will be able to see that archie is chucking in the bigger of the guys hes got instead of the ones with obvious attributes and ability.

 

If it is a case that he is waiting to see what sort of contract comes from elsewhere then thats up to him if the deal that we offered him wasnt right for him, it is after all his or any other players job, do you really think higgy and osbourne would have signed for us if they were offered better deals elswhere.I remember welsh dragging his heels a bit aswell at the start of the season and didnt see him getting villafied for his deal not being right the same time as the other guys, i reckon maybe he was wanting more than what was on offer at the time and maybe got it.

 

I know it shouldnt always come down to money but football is a very short career and any person in any workplace has the right to make more money or work in a better environment if they so choose or are given that opportunity why should that change if your a footballer.

 

I thought at times today we could have done with a bit of craft espescially when izaguire looked completly out of it for about 15 - 20 mins, higgy looked shattered and wasnt tracking back late on in the game why not chuck lawless or even baird on for the last wee while we had only made two subs. I thought craigen or even welsh ( who was complete gash today ) should have been off before bannigan i also never saw craigen win a physical battle all day, does that mean he got bullied ? and for me we again made it easy for the opposition to score and conceding goals is worse than not scoring them, the defence need to wise up and nobody is talking about them getting bullied at set pieces or open play which is basically what is happening to them.

I can't believe or understand the tone of this post. In my opinion it is completely disrespectful to suggest that Archie isn't playing Lawless because he hasn't signed a contract. If you have played the game as you suggest then you must have watched an out of form player who was being bullied of the ball and failing to link up with team mates. Is it just coincidence when he hasn't been in the team we have created and took chances?

If he feels he's better than Graigen, Bannigan and Elliot then he should try and take a leaf out of their book on ball retention, work rate and team ethics.

We all knew some players wouldn't make the step up so far it has been Lawless and my only regret is we never took the £50k on offer as currently it is looking like a gamble that never paid off. If he thinks he's moving to another SPFL Premiership team in this form he's deluded.

For you to suggest there is more to it than that is just bonkers.

As for twitter he should learn to keep his mouth shut and work harder to get back in the team rather than come across as a spoilt pr*ck .

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

Craigen was brilliant today.

[cjag78]

Stream of consciousness after an overlong stay in the pub, surely?

 

It was a stream of "something" he posted.

 

Please give your specialist insights and give me a chance to defend my opinion instead of waiting on another halfwit to retort to your insult making you feel justified.

 

I thought the whole point of a fans forum was to be able to express your opinion or gain information on matters concerning your club, not to insult fellow fans that might have a different take or opinion from you.

 

The funny thing is i put my opinion out there and i am happy to have it scrutinised or disagreed with i somehow doubt you would feel the same if anyone disagreed with yours.

[potty trained]

Rather than gie out insults, the poster asked you to elaborate. He has an opinion what's yours? Or don't you have enough intelligence to give an opinion at least he has given his, where's yours?

 

Do you mind if I have my dinner, do the dishes, iron my shirt for work, make my lunch before pandering to your demand?

[potty trained]

 

 

 

 

Please give your specialist insights and give me a chance to defend my opinion instead of waiting on another halfwit to retort to your insult making you feel justified.

 

I thought the whole point of a fans forum was to be able to express your opinion or gain information on matters concerning your club, not to insult fellow fans that might have a different take or opinion from you.

 

The funny thing is i put my opinion out there and i am happy to have it scrutinised or disagreed with i somehow doubt you would feel the same if anyone disagreed with yours.

 

Do you want a tissue?

 

See my post above...

 

Anyway, my opinion is your post was nonsense. It also doesn't look like you want to enter into a mature discussion when you reply with "elaborate".

 

The word has two meanings, I take it you were requesting I elaborate further, as opposed to a sarcastic use of the adjective?

 

[Auld Yin]

 

 

Do you mind if I have my dinner, do the dishes, iron my shirt for work, make my lunch before pandering to your demand?

Hopefully you have your pinny on whilst doing them.

[kni]

Hopefully you have your pinny on whilst doing them.

 

A Joma pinny surely!

[Bleeding Gums Murphy]

Craigen's performance this week & last has shown that Archie right to pick him ahead of Lawless.

 

Lawless gone off the boil for me & agree 100% with Metz above. For me, the tweets suggest he's spat the dummy as he's not been picked or given a chance today. In a squad as thin as we have he should be asking himself why rather than express his displeasure on social media.

 

If, as auld yin suggests, the clubs that were in for him in the Summer are still interested then I'd suggest that they'd have bigger squads than what we have & if he's not doing the business then he'll be left kicking his heels there also.

 

On another entirely unrelated note, met up for a couple of beers with friends after the game, 2 of whom are Motherwell fans. They basically said what they saw from Forbes in the 10-15mins he was on the park was the Forbes they remember at Fir Park & also the reason why they got rid.

 

All the talent but not the work rate or the application to do it at the top level. Lawless should take note.

 

 

[1 John Lambie]

It was noticeable once Forbes came on that on the right wing O'Donnell was isolated with no-one outside him, at a time when Celtic were playing with 10 men we needed width & on the right hand side it just wasn't there. Forbes was the guy closest to the right side but he never once made any sort of run into space that would have either made a pass to him be on or create more space for O'Donnell if he cut in (which he did without success as there was too many bodies in there).

 

On Lawless, he's had his chance numerous times this season & not impressed so far. He'll get his chance again & he has to take it. Craigen & Elliott are better options than him currently.

[cjag78]

I can't believe or understand the tone of this post. In my opinion it is completely disrespectful to suggest that Archie isn't playing Lawless because he hasn't signed a contract. If you have played the game as you suggest then you must have watched an out of form player who was being bullied of the ball and failing to link up with team mates. Is it just coincidence when he hasn't been in the team we have created and took chances?

If he feels he's better than Graigen, Bannigan and Elliot then he should try and take a leaf out of their book on ball retention, work rate and team ethics.

We all knew some players wouldn't make the step up so far it has been Lawless and my only regret is we never took the £50k on offer as currently it is looking like a gamble that never paid off. If he thinks he's moving to another SPFL Premiership team in this form he's deluded.

For you to suggest there is more to it than that is just bonkers.

As for twitter he should learn to keep his mouth shut and work harder to get back in the team rather than come across as a spoilt pr*ck .

 

My opinion is simply that and if its sh*t its sh*t but i am as intitled as anyone else to voice it.

 

I never said He thought he was better than any other player i said i thought him forbes and baird were better than elliott or craigen; two guys that played a handfull of games each last year and that i m not really impressed with this year if i m honest, but again thats just my opinion.

 

I think we have been creating chances all season just not converting them we were doing that with stevie in the team aswell and as for the twitter thing i only checked his twitter to see what had been said after being prompted by comments on here and i never saw anything on there about team selections i fail to see where the spoilt pr*ck attitude towards a player that was imense last season is coming from on here is there something i have missed.

 

I dont see why commenting on him being left out of a team when he hasnt signed a deal is bonkers it happens all the time all over the world and i certainly didnt mean it to be disrespectfull to anybody but i still think it is a valid comment, archie could be giving the guys who are tied up more game time because he doesnt know if stevies going to sign or it could be the dip in form but he wont aclimatise to this league the way doolan is starting to from the bench, and he certainly wont do it with fans on his back.

[cjag78]

Do you want a tissue? See my post above... Anyway, my opinion is your post was nonsense. It also doesn't look like you want to enter into a mature discussion when you reply with "elaborate". The word has two meanings, I take it you were requesting I elaborate further, as opposed to a sarcastic use of the adjective?

 

I assumed you would be wise enough to work out in which context i was using the word so sorry i didnt explain that in easier terms for you.

 

The toddler type slanging match is getting old really fast, i am willing to concede and let you get on with the housekeeping as i am no longer bothered about or expecting an intelligent answer.I also have absolute sh*t to watch on telly that takes precidence over this quite easily.

[Metz]

 

 

My opinion is simply that and if its sh*t its sh*t but i am as intitled as anyone else to voice it.

 

I never said He thought he was better than any other player i said i thought him forbes and baird were better than elliott or craigen; two guys that played a handfull of games each last year and that i m not really impressed with this year if i m honest, but again thats just my opinion.

 

I think we have been creating chances all season just not converting them we were doing that with stevie in the team aswell and as for the twitter thing i only checked his twitter to see what had been said after being prompted by comments on here and i never saw anything on there about team selections i fail to see where the spoilt pr*ck attitude towards a player that was imense last season is coming from on here is there something i have missed.

 

I dont see why commenting on him being left out of a team when he hasnt signed a deal is bonkers it happens all the time all over the world and i certainly didnt mean it to be disrespectfull to anybody but i still think it is a valid comment, archie could be giving the guys who are tied up more game time because he doesnt know if stevies going to sign or it could be the dip in form but he wont aclimatise to this league the way doolan is starting to from the bench, and he certainly wont do it with fans on his back.

I agree you are perfectly entitled to an opinion but in my view if you give an opinion it should be a considered one. It is bonkers to suggest Archie's team selection is politically motivated and your recent post in "my opinion" seems to back track from this view.

As I said previously Graigen and Elliot are well worthy of there places in the team ahead of Lawless and to date outright professionals taking their opportunity when it arises. Lawless had the jersey but failed to hold onto it not because he hasn't signed a contract simply because he hasn't been good enough. To question the right for others to play in front if him in my view is disrespectful to his manager and team mates, to consider otherwise foolish.

The fans aren't on his back in my view they have and probably will continue to give him a chance to succeed as he was a great player last year, if he thinks that is enough he is bonkers.

Knuckle down learn and work hard and he may turn it around, bitch and feel sorry for himself and he'll end up at. Morton or Falkirk for sure.

[thistlenowthistleforever]

decent performance by thistle thought the team looked nervous 1st half but whatever Archie said settled them down. for me James craigen gave the ball away more than he keep it (not the 1st time I've noticed this in a game) think if doolan had better support we may have got a point or 3

[potty trained]

 

 

His form was pants because he was carrying an injury, he uses the ball better than any other player we have and when he does lose the ball more often than not he will fight to get it back. Lets no beat about the bush here, on his day he is a cracking player and it now looks as if football politics are coming into play, maybe because he hasnt signed a new deal ? bit unfair if thats the case cos neither has sinclair and both paton and erskine didnt get dropped despite comitting there future careers to dundee utd in jan last year.

 

I would also rather he was peed off about not starting rather than not giving a hoot it means he does actually care about playing for the club and not being in the team.

 

Can someone enlighten me on the fuss he has made about a new contract aswell i canny be reading the right papers and the players in this league arent a foot taller or wider than the ones from last year so i canny accept the bullied excuse either that keeps cropping up when your no the biggest, he got kicked about all last year but because he was scoring goals and tied up for a while it was fine.

 

Another thing that might be annoying him is the fact that craigen and elliott are getting a shout before him aswell lawless forbes and baird for that matter are all better players than both of them and anyone who has played the game ( and i have albeit a while ago now ) will be able to see that archie is chucking in the bigger of the guys hes got instead of the ones with obvious attributes and ability.

 

If it is a case that he is waiting to see what sort of contract comes from elsewhere then thats up to him if the deal that we offered him wasnt right for him, it is after all his or any other players job, do you really think higgy and osbourne would have signed for us if they were offered better deals elswhere.I remember welsh dragging his heels a bit aswell at the start of the season and didnt see him getting villafied for his deal not being right the same time as the other guys, i reckon maybe he was wanting more than what was on offer at the time and maybe got it.

 

I know it shouldnt always come down to money but football is a very short career and any person in any workplace has the right to make more money or work in a better environment if they so choose or are given that opportunity why should that change if your a footballer.

 

I thought at times today we could have done with a bit of craft espescially when izaguire looked completly out of it for about 15 - 20 mins, higgy looked shattered and wasnt tracking back late on in the game why not chuck lawless or even baird on for the last wee while we had only made two subs. I thought craigen or even welsh ( who was complete gash today ) should have been off before bannigan i also never saw craigen win a physical battle all day, does that mean he got bullied ? and for me we again made it easy for the opposition to score and conceding goals is worse than not scoring them, the defence need to wise up and nobody is talking about them getting bullied at set pieces or open play which is basically what is happening to them.

 

Your first paragraph is frankly nonsense. He doesn't use the ball better than any other player in the squad, I find it appalling that you would even suggest Archie refuses to start Lawless based on him not signing a contract, yet are happy to point out that he hasn't done it with any other player. Surely by your own admission there's more to it?

 

It's great that he's pissed off about not starting, but there are ways of going about that. The fact is you seem to condone him breaking the clubs rules on social media. I don't, regardless of what he said.

 

Your next paragraph doesn't make sense, it's one big sentence. But the defenders in the SPFL are bigger, it's bloody obvious to see! They are also more intelligent, know how to bully guys like lawless. He's not getting the same time and space as he did last year. That's resulting in him more often than not, getting the ball caught under his feet, means he can't get a pass or shot away when infront of the box.

 

Why say the SPFL doesn't have bigger players, then suggest Archie is picking Craigan and Elliott purely on their size? Elliott is a tactical player, like samaras. I really can't fault Craigan for a single thing this season, he hasn't put a foot wrong.

 

I don't understand what Welsh has got to do with it. Again you are talking about folks contracts, but it just seems to be guess work. It seems again you are trying to hammer home this idea that the only reason Lawless isn't getting a game is because he hasn't signed a contract. Poor show if that's the case.

 

Yet more digs at craigan, maybe you should watch him closer, off the top of my head I remember twice in the second half he bullied brown off the ball. He showed no fear, didn't hide once and ran his socks off box to box.

 

It's kind of ironic that you sit and castigate practically the full starting 11 in your defence of Lawless, yet 40 minutes later you're telling us how it riles you when jags supporters get tore into their own players.

[BowenBoys]

Oh, I forgot to add:

 

If Samaras is f*cked, then I'll consider that this afternoon wasn't all disappointment.

 

Are you really suggesting that the fact that we were beaten by the current league leaders was mitigated by one of their players being injured?

 

I hope that we are better than that.

[allyo]

This is a miserable thread already, on a day that I'm proud to be a Jags fan, so I don't feel too bad in raising it here. Just been reading P&B and really embarrassed to see the numerous references to terrorists and paedophiles from Jags fans. I'm no lover of Celtic, but this kind of talk isn't banter, it discredits us and I'd really ask why Thistle fans, or football fans in general, would want to drag a football conversation down to this level.

[scotty]

This is a miserable thread already, on a day that I'm proud to be a Jags fan, so I don't feel too bad in raising it here. Just been reading P&B and really embarrassed to see the numerous references to terrorists and paedophiles from Jags fans. I'm no lover of Celtic, but this kind of talk isn't banter, it discredits us and I'd really ask why Thistle fans, or football fans in general, would want to drag a football conversation down to this level.

I agree. Are we going to end up like many from both sets of a**e cheek fans whose main purpose is not to support their own team but to hate the other side of the Glasgow derby?

We should just get on with supporting thistle.

[Paulo]

Jeez guys. I was pretty proud of the guys yesterday. They all tried, they were a little naive at times on the ball and in front of goal, but I can see them learning as the season goes on. I thought in particular, we started to move the ball a lot quicker than we have been doing at home, and this was working. Some of our passing moves were great. We could have used a little bit of luck, a bit of composure and maybe a bit of decisive defending - but in context, I reckon there's no shame in that defeat.

 

Consider it, they brought on a match winner that cost something like £1 million, we brought on a guy we signed from Whitley Bay. Yet there wasn't a world between the teams out there. The manner of the loss was a bit frustrating, but think back to the Cowdenbeath smoke machine and where we might have been this weekend.

[Albert's Ghost]

think back to the Cowdenbeath smoke machine...

It was a fog machine. But I take your point!

[Jaggernaut]

 

 

Consider it, they brought on a match winner that cost something like £1 million, we brought on a guy we signed from Whitley Bay. Yet there wasn't a world between the teams out there. The manner of the loss was a bit frustrating, but think back to the Cowdenbeath smoke machine and where we might have been this weekend.

 

Anybody think it's time to give the Whitley Bay Wizzard a start, then bring somebody on as a sub if he struggles? The reason I ask is that he definitely seems to have re-energized the team in the last few times he's come on. Could we use his high energy levels to get us an early lead?

[Paulo]

It was a fog machine. But I take your point!

 

So close. so so close to a relevant post. Next time!

 

 

Anybody think it's time to give the Whitley Bay Wizzard a start, then bring somebody on as a sub if he struggles? The reason I ask is that he definitely seems to have re-energized the team in the last few times he's come on. Could we use his high energy levels to get us an early lead?

 

I'm not against the idea, he certainly adds a bit of urgency in attack. Who would drop out though? Bannigan perhaps?