potty trained Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't quite get your arithmetic, PT. I'm assuming Maxi's £8K is net of VAT and I don't believe for one moment ST holders would turn up in those numbers for a Tuesday night game in January. Unless you're meaning a £4 or so levy on next season's ST price? Forgetting all that I'm fairly sure Maxi would just pick a number at random. No one to do with running the Club would surely be as daft as to announce to all and sundry such sensitive information????? Either way, it was fag pack basic arithmetic. Norge has given a more accurate figure. The fact remains, someone at the ground is worse at arithmetic than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 To state we have catering and stewarding costs I believe is not true as that is fully outsourced and covered in the SS deal. I don't know any of the details of the SS deal, but you would think so with regard to catering (as that does raise money for SS on sales), but I doubt it for stewarding as that has to be supplied at a cost per game and Cup matches and re-arranged matches wouldn't be predictable. Of course, we could well be in the position of having a really duff contract where we actually have to pay Sporting Solutions for giving the them the privilege of making money from catering, but what kind of numpty would go for a deal like that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Has the results of the meeting and Club representatives been released yet? Jags Trust meeting with the Club regarding this? When is/was it? ETA: for a minute i thought you meant this: http://ptfc.co.uk/news/2013-2014/june_2013/tag_membership_-_supporters_federation Edited January 8, 2014 by potty trained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottymagoo Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) What frustrates me is that this is not completely unforeseeable, it is my understanding that since the sport began in the late 1800’s at least one game of football, if not more have also been abandoned before now. IMHO the club should just set a clear policy on what happens with abandoned matches and like the policy or not, at least then there would be no ambiguity going forward. Also surely budgets could be set taking into account the average number of abandoned matches to be expected in any given season. Edited January 8, 2014 by scottymagoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Sometimes, I think the club by the sheer incompetence of its administration is engaged in trying to chase away as many supporters as it can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 The abandoned St Johnstone game was only the 21st abandoned match in over 6,100 first team games (0.3%). 10 were at home, 11 away. Failing light/Fog 8 n/k 3 Waterlogged 4 Storm 1 Snow 3 Floodlight failure 2 There have only been 8 abandoned matches in the last 100 years - 4 at home, 4 away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 The abandoned St Johnstone game was only the 21st abandoned match in over 6,100 first team games (0.3%). 10 were at home, 11 away. Failing light/Fog 8 n/k 3 Waterlogged 4 Storm 1 Snow 3 Floodlight failure 2 There have only been 8 abandoned matches in the last 100 years - 4 at home, 4 away. Did North Kelvinside steal the ball??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottymagoo Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Those are some excellent stats which both verify and rubbish my post depending on which way you choose to look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 So what's happened to the statement the club were meant to be making then? I'm seriously worried about the direction the club is taking. Seems like a long long time from last season when we were all pulling in the same direction.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 And right on cue... http://ptfc.co.uk/news/2013-2014/january_2014/st_johnstone_game_further_information Looks like the same patronising guff that the club sent out to David. Well I for one had been looking forward to the rearranged fixture. My mate even rearranged the night he gets his daughter. Now, due to the attitude of the club that's them at least 2 customers down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 John Lambie Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 If you want to read it as being patronising I'm sure you will but it appears to me to be an honest account of what the situation is. & this seems like a very good deal: http://ptfc.co.uk/news/2013-2014/january_2014/kilmarnock_and_st_johnstone_fan_card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 If you want to read it as being patronising I'm sure you will but it appears to me to be an honest account of what the situation is. & this seems like a very good deal: http://ptfc.co.uk/ne...nstone_fan_card Just beat me to it. Credit where it's due. I think that's an excellent idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rid Skwerr Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 My St Mirren supporting mate says they had an abandoned game recently - entry to rearranged game was £10 or £5 with ticket stub/voucher handed out at game. Much more reasonable attitude to fans imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Just beat me to it. Credit where it's due. I think that's an excellent idea. Works for us, but not for the StJ fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewarty Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 If you want to read it as being patronising I'm sure you will but it appears to me to be an honest account of what the situation is. & this seems like a very good deal: http://ptfc.co.uk/news/2013-2014/january_2014/kilmarnock_and_st_johnstone_fan_card Hold on, how come this discount isn't offered to ST holders... kidding, kidding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yeh, now keeping your stub was even more worthless. Glad I'm a season ticket holder. Good offer though - the club had to respond - but I think they could still let St Jonstone and our fans in for a fiver with the stub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 So they are offering even greater discounts on games that folk would probably be attending anyway? This is taking money out of Archie's wage budget during the transfer window, aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Total shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p12tfc Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Very poor by the club..... Again I paid full price for half a game. Therefore I should only be paying half price for this full game! Edited January 8, 2014 by p12tfc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgcjag Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Ach its all over the place now and after all my moaning just found out cant make the re-arranged game. I'm out of this debate but will be there Saturday. Away the Jags Edited January 8, 2014 by Bgcjag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunnylaw Jag Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hey why don't we just cancel the game and give the points to St. Johnstone after all we're still 20 points ahead of Hearts and that will save all the bother and angst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 My St Mirren supporting mate says they had an abandoned game recently - entry to rearranged game was £10 or £5 with ticket stub/voucher handed out at game. Much more reasonable attitude to fans imho. this is a more straight forward, fan friendly and sensible outcome, than that chosen by our back of fag packet merchants. such pricing (and public perception) instills and encourages supporters to attend and good PR and goodwill towards the paisley mob. our club has scored a spectacular own goal and negative PR over the £12/20 fiasco, and will ultimately lead to less supporters being encouraged or inclined to attend. the 2 game offer is clearly a reaction to the st j mess (and possibly even extended to the NYD game cockup), possibly coupled by realisation of how much the support of the last two away games have been important to the players, and a desire to get as mmany supporters through the gates at firhill to back the team. in principle, the club can be praised for this, but can't help feeling it's a kneejerk reaction to try deflect and minimise negative feelings and PR that the club has and will endure over the st j rearranged game it does throw up the possible questioning of how such reduced revenue (a potential 40% overall drop) over these two games impacts on archies budget, or ST holders could be justified in turning round and saying their ST is devalued even further, but that's an extension of the discussion for later, or another day. ultimately, it's been another fire fighting excerise from within the firhill office and boardroom, and is just another one to be added to the list of spectacular own goal gaffes of incompetence that is letting down the club, archie and his trusted lieutenants, the players and long suffering supporters of our great club. sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) "We accept that these vouchers could be misleading however they were never intended to qualify the holder for free entry to the rearranged fixture." Have they heard of the sale of goods act and trade description act? Complimentary : adjective 1 expressing a compliment; praising or approving:Jennie was very complimentary about Kath’s ridingcomplimentary remarks 2 given or supplied free of charge:a complimentary bottle of wine Edited January 8, 2014 by Norgethistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantB Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Having thought about this for a few minutes, I've got to ask why the club didn't come out with this offer before announcing the £12 price for the St J game? Might have saved themselves a lot of bad press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westertonjagfan Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 "We accept that these vouchers could be misleading however they were never intended to qualify the holder for free entry to the rearranged fixture." Have they heard of the sale of goods act and trade description act? Complimentary : adjective 1 expressing a compliment; praising or approving:Jennie was very complimentary about Kath’s ridingcomplimentary remarks 2 given or supplied free of charge:a complimentary bottle of wine That's a good point actually. Never thought of the sale of goods act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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