BowenBoys Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Would be nice to see someone come in, that is a few out so space i would imagine was being made for someone so where are they ? That's quite a sentence. Can we have a translation please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Nixon Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 That's quite a sentence. Can we have a translation please. Pinhead by name, pinhead by barely legible garbled nonsense speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 That's quite a sentence. Can we have a translation please. Translation : Hangover is bad ! But no need for folks to be ***** about it ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Pinhead by name, pinhead by barely legible garbled nonsense speak. That is rich coming from you Rich ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel J. Botch Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Gonny chuck it you lot. Can't really afford to lose SOD with not having Jordan available at the minute. I'd hate it if he went to Dundee Utd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickAsThieves Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Nigel Hasselbaink's left his Greek club. Saw a link with him to Burton - managed by his uncle Jimmy Floyd. If that's unfounded, I'd like to see us go for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewarty Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I fully expect SOD to leave in the summer; I don't think there's much hope of avoiding that. It's possible that someone tries to dislodge him in this window by offering a reduced fee in the hope that we take it rather than lose him for nowt. Given the issues we have at full-back such an offer would present us with a tricky decision. Archie would have to be really confident that he can bring in a quality replacement, and possibly a back-up too, before letting SOD go early. Personally I don't see him moving until summer unless someone makes us an offer we simply can't refuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemei Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Not seen much of Hasselbaink, has he been any good, I thought he struggled at St Mirren? I like the look of Matt McClure from Wycombe, think he's out of contract this summer. Decent young player. Would annoy me if SOD went to Dundee Utd man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Would annoy me if SOD went to Dundee Utd man. What would annoy me more is that if after a year at DU he's got an international cap & he's touted with £1m move. I genuinely believe that scenario is not impossible!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) What would genuinely be the reaction of our fans if we offered Ched Evans a deal? Steve Bruce from Hull has came out in his support, and I think it is a legitimate appeal. While I know he is a convicted rapist, the details of his conviction are very skewed. The victum didn't actually report Evans and has never said she was raped - all proceedings and alegations have came from the police. He is consistently reffered to as footballer ched evans in the trial (no other case ever says the profession as in the eyes of the law it is irrelevant). The cctv of the night shows the women happily going back to the hotel and she asked to go there, also shows her in a fit state (for after a night out). The receptionist in the hotel over heard the women and said she sounded fine. This all came at a time when laws changed so that no longer a women had to say "no" for it to be rape but this doesn't mean she has to say yes - it just has to be consentual and the women has never indicated it wasn't consentual. In fact Evans and his friend both say the women said ok to Evans 'joining in' (as with everything else the women claims no memory). It does appear the police and court have punnished Evans for his high profile stature and the ability to send out a message that rape isn't just when someone says no. I think it is more than likely he will get his appeal - he has already served his time anyway. Remember in law the proof has to be by the prosecution and the jury has to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that the offence took place - this can't be said for this case, so it almost certainly will get over-turned. Like Steve Bruce, I think he deserves a chance. While it is a contentious decision as no club obviously wants associated with a rapist, I think Evans is probably innocent and has served a long time for an offence that would definitely of gone unpunnished if he wasn't a footballer. Then being a footballer means he can't return to work. Anyway, I for one, wouldn't be against Thistle giving him a platform to play again and I was wondering others opinions on it? Am I alone in my thinking? I realise we are trying to be this family, women welcome, club and I guess thats where the most concerns will be. Edited January 11, 2015 by read'n'yell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firhillista Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Absolutely not, and let's not even speculate about it. The guy is toxic and the club shouldn't go anywhere near this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 What would genuinely be the reaction of our fans if we offered Ched Evans a deal? NO! At this time he is a rapist. He was found guilty and sentenced. He should not be allowed to get into a position of being a role-model for young men, If he appeals, wins that appeal and his conviction is overturned then perhaps he can begin to rehabilitate his reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Murray Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 We are being linked with Ruben Palazuelos. Don’t see the need for a defensive midfielder unless either Banzo or Abdul are leaving? On SOD and Banzo going to Dundee United from an unbiased view got to say that would be a great move for them. They would fit well into the system they play. From our point of view very disappointing if we do lose SOD for nothing. Hopefully get a decent fee for Bannigan but can’t see United being able to pay that much. Better if teams from down south came in for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Playing devils advocate a bit, but would our fans be happy to sign David Goodwillie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Playing devils advocate a bit, but would our fans be happy to sign David Goodwillie? As he was NEVER convicted, then that's not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCF Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 What would genuinely be the reaction of our fans if we offered Ched Evans a deal? Steve Bruce from Hull has came out in his support, and I think it is a legitimate appeal. While I know he is a convicted rapist, the details of his conviction are very skewed. The victum didn't actually report Evans and has never said she was raped - all proceedings and alegations have came from the police. He is consistently reffered to as footballer ched evans in the trial (no other case ever says the profession as in the eyes of the law it is irrelevant). The cctv of the night shows the women happily going back to the hotel and she asked to go there, also shows her in a fit state (for after a night out). The receptionist in the hotel over heard the women and said she sounded fine. This all came at a time when laws changed so that no longer a women had to say "no" for it to be rape but this doesn't mean she has to say yes - it just has to be consentual and the women has never indicated it wasn't consentual. In fact Evans and his friend both say the women said ok to Evans 'joining in' (as with everything else the women claims no memory). It does appear the police and court have punnished Evans for his high profile stature and the ability to send out a message that rape isn't just when someone says no. I think it is more than likely he will get his appeal - he has already served his time anyway. Remember in law the proof has to be by the prosecution and the jury has to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that the offence took place - this can't be said for this case, so it almost certainly will get over-turned. Like Steve Bruce, I think he deserves a chance. While it is a contentious decision as no club obviously wants associated with a rapist, I think Evans is probably innocent and has served a long time for an offence that would definitely of gone unpunnished if he wasn't a footballer. Then being a footballer means he can't return to work. Anyway, I for one, wouldn't be against Thistle giving him a platform to play again and I was wondering others opinions on it? Am I alone in my thinking? I realise we are trying to be this family, women welcome, club and I guess thats where the most concerns will be. Daniel Taylor in The Guardian today writes an interesting column on this situation. Perhaps worth a read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I wouldn't sign Ched Evans because it would affect the club. I doubt he'll ever be able to sign for another professional club again. Why does Ed Milliband need to get involved in it? What a disaster of a human being he is. The evidence is sketchy so I would love to see Evans's appeal be successful just to see that creep backtrack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglemon Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I wouldn't sign Ched Evans because it would affect the club. I doubt he'll ever be able to sign for another professional club again. Why does Ed Milliband need to get involved in it? What a disaster of a human being he is. The evidence is sketchy so I would love to see Evans's appeal be successful just to see that creep backtrack. Nothing about a fair and just outcome then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 The reason I brought up Goodwillie was because the evidence against him was far more damning than Evans. The girl he was accused of raping, couldn't walk, had fatal levels of alcohol in her system, eyes rolling into the back of her head, Goodwillie told bouncers he would take her back to her home before taking her to his hotel. She also accused Goodwillie of rape and won the highest award for victum compensation she was told she had been "a victum of crime". The case was not granted approval to proceed to court - blocked by one man. So he got away with it therefor it is fine to sign him? Morally, I would say it would be worse to sign Goodwillie. But obviously, we can't act as the judge and jury for someone so we have to accept his innocence. I guess it will just have to wait until the appeal, but I just don't think it is right for so many high profile people to say their 'acting as judge and jury' piece so openly, especially politicians who should be reinforcing the justice system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I wouldn't sign Ched Evans because it would affect the club. I doubt he'll ever be able to sign for another professional club again. Why does Ed Milliband need to get involved in it? What a disaster of a human being he is. The evidence is sketchy so I would love to see Evans's appeal be successful just to see that creep backtrack. That will probably depend on whether his appeal is successful. It is solely a matter for the criminal justice system rather than opportunist politicians who are seeking the easy headline. Bizarrely, Miliband is arguing that Evans should show remorse for a crime that he says he did not commit. No politician, especially the Leader of the Opposition, should comment on the Evans case whilst his appeal against the conviction is being considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I wouldn't sign Ched Evans because it would affect the club. I doubt he'll ever be able to sign for another professional club again. and yet, just five days ago you posted in this same thread ..... Ched Evans would be a excellent singing IMO. please stop posting. you are an embarrassment to yourself and every thistle supporter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I wouldn't sign Ched Evans because it would affect the club. I doubt he'll ever be able to sign for another professional club again. Why does Ed Milliband need to get involved in it? What a disaster of a human being he is. The evidence is sketchy so I would love to see Evans's appeal be successful just to see that creep backtrack. Create an account elsewhere for your right wing political views. This is about football of all aspects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Would be very sorry to see SOD leave, for nothing and especially to Dundee Utd. We need a little bit of luck, to get big money for one or two of our better players. If we had a million or two in the bank, we could pay that little bit more to our players and fend off the likes of Dundee Utd. Basically, I think we need a bit of good fortune in the transfer market to help us move up the food chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think I have a fan. Evans is a £3 million rated striker. There's no doubt he'd be a good player, but after the Oldham fiasco if it would be too costly and damaging to the club. 5 days ago, yes. Now, no. Mob rule wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 That will probably depend on whether his appeal is successful. It is solely a matter for the criminal justice system rather than opportunist politicians who are seeking the easy headline. Bizarrely, Miliband is arguing that Evans should show remorse for a crime that he says he did not commit. No politician, especially the Leader of the Opposition, should comment on the Evans case whilst his appeal against the conviction is being considered. He's clearly using the situation to look for votes. Embarrassing really. I'd say he'd be better focusing on his policies rather than bowing to mob rule but that'd be very short lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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