Jago1953 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 What is the problem with a section of Thistle supporters who appear to get their jollies by making young players a target for their trolling . Last season it was Liam Lindsay now its Kevin Nisbet . Give the lad a chance ffs rather than slagging him give him support. You never know he might just improve like Liam did . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Well said, the boys only played the equivalent of about 4 full games for thistle and some have him judged/hung drawn and quartered already. Azeez and some really shite players have been given a minimum of a season to impress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Hear hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodieboy Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) I'll be the first to admit it, after Saturday I had Kevin Nisbet pinned as the 'next John McGoldrick'. I was also at McDairmid tonight though and he was like a new signing. Strength, determination, movement, patience and guile. Shaughnessy and Anderson had no answers whatsoever. Gutted he couldn't find the net. Tried the spectacular a couple of times when a low drive might have proven effective enough. That'll come with games but you wonder how much game time he'll get when we sign another striker... Well done Kevin. Goes to show why I'd never make it as a football manager! Edited August 8, 2017 by brodieboy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I've seen a lot of Nisbet in the U20s. Because he's matured physically earlier than others he's been able to bully opponents and generally be a real handful. Perhaps his problem stems from that as when up against the physicality in our league he doesn't have the same edge. Tonight he showed there's more to his game, certainly more of the team player in him. Also tonight for the first time we got to see Nisbet's pace. True he needs the best part of twenty yards to get up to speed but when given the opportunity he could cause defenders a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Played his heart out tonight, boy was dead on his feet at the end of the game. Had a hand in all the goals and did not look out of place in the team. Can't help but feel that he beneffited enormously from going into this game knowing what the game plan was & how he had to execute his role in it, as opposed to being thrown into it on Saturday against Hibs. Played brilliant Kevin keep it up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebaw1 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Yes, I was critical of him Saturday. I didn't want to see him in the team tonight. The player and manager deserve huge credit. I reckon Kevin was shown the Hibs' video and told that was nowhere near good enough if he wants to be a player. Archie probably emphasised how Murray gave our defence a tough time. He was excellent tonight especially 2nd half when he realised that he could give those 2 cb's a going over. His hold up play and layoffs were superb tonight. But he now needs a goal. Utterly delighted to be proved wrong. Keep it up Kev!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I don't remember Liam Lindsay being singled-out for criticism much at all by the fans, either at games or on the internet. It's good to hear that Nisbet had a better game today, but I think everyone would be a lot happier, probably including him, if he was not the immediate and only back-up for Doolan this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Great to hear that Nisbet had a better game. I think there is room in the squad for three strikers and even if we sign another he'll get opportunities. This is the season he has to step up though. That doesn't mean he has to be brilliant immediately, but he has to progress and prove he is good enough at this level. He's done the loan thing and if he's good enough then he's definitely now old enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I don't remember Liam Lindsay being singled-out for criticism much at all by the fans, either at games or on the internet. Certainly not nearly as judgmental as Nisbet was getting. It was Danny Devine that was getting the lion's share of stick back then. The OP tho' does have a point at the OTT criticism some (too many) Jags fans can dish out. On leaving the Dumbarton game I heard one of our more senior supporters absolutely ranting and raving about the loss of the second goal. Cause of his tantrum was a mistake by a 17 year old left back just on the pitch and asked to cover the right back slot in a meaningless friendly. There ain't much doubt that a sizable minority of our support are only happy when they're moaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policemans whistle Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Some of the comments regarding Nisbet on Saturday were disgraceful. Not only were having a go at the player, they were disrespectful of Archie, the coaches and the club in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Thistle Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Too true, a certain fanzine editor slaughtered the poor guy , all day Saturday and Sunday on Facebook. Give the lad time he proved last night he is more than capable, Nicer t se how Erskine and others supported him through out and how they went to him at the end of the match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Archie on Jagzone mentioned the 'panning' he was getting. Archie says he deservedly got a panning for his work rate and he was pleased that he upped his effort last night, but he needs to do more. Edited August 9, 2017 by Garscube Road End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Archie on Jagzone mentioned the 'panning' he was getting. Archie says he deservedly got a panning for his work at and he was pleased that he upped his effort last night, but he needs to do more. To balance that up a bit Archie also said (on radio) it was harder for Nisbet on Saturday as he was a forced sub. Last night he knew he was starting and had adequate preparation for the role he had to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) I'd also add that knowing he was the only CF we had meant it was all on him to do the job right - in a way added pressure but could be a confidence booster too in that he knew he was being trusted with a big responsibility up front and it was up to him to show he could do it. Edited August 9, 2017 by Mr Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie247 Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I've had to come off the facebook page cause some of the comments were just getting outrageous and to be frank daft.. also it was taking up all of my facebook stream with nonsense :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky jag Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I think the problem is is that there is a large number of Thistle fans that are ******* bellends unfortunately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Giving abuse to players is a form of bullying usually by people who have other issues and take their insecurities out like this either in stadium or online. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Giving abuse to players is a form of bullying usually by people who have other issues and take their insecurities out like this either in stadium or online. For all I know that may well be the case. Genuine question, are you qualified to make such an assertion or is it simply your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 For all I know that may well be the case. Genuine question, are you qualified to make such an assertion or is it simply your opinion? I think it's pretty obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashman Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) For all I know that may well be the case. Genuine question, are you qualified to make such an assertion or is it simply your opinion? Whether he is qualified or not is not the issue. There is plenty of research by those who are qualified to back up his assertion. See https://www.ditchthelabel.org/research-papers/the-annual-bullying-survey-2016/ or https://www.ditchthelabel.org/research-papers/cyberbullying-and-hate-speech/ Edited August 9, 2017 by flashman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 For all I know that may well be the case. Genuine question, are you qualified to make such an assertion or is it simply your opinion? This is an internet message board. Of course I don't have any qualification. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Whether he is qualified or not is not the issue. There is plenty of research by those who are qualified to back up his assertion. See https://www.ditchthe...ng-survey-2016/ or https://www.ditchthe...nd-hate-speech/ I doubt there's any distinction in there between giving abuse to our players or giving abuse to opposition players. If so most of us are bullies taking out our insecurities due to other issues? I totally concur with the OP, it's well out of order some of the abuse Nisbet was getting. I wouldn't take it further than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 This is an internet message board. Of course I don't have any qualification. Sorry, LLD, posts crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashman Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) I doubt there's any distinction in there between giving abuse to our players or giving abuse to opposition players. If so most of us are bullies taking out our insecurities due to other issues? I totally concur with the OP, it's well out of order some of the abuse Nisbet was getting. I wouldn't take it further than that. Having taught psychology to degree level, I would be seriously asking what has happened to someone who takes satisfaction in some of the more extreme levels of abuse aimed at some players. Sports psychology can explain to an extent the taunting of opposition players or officials to try and gain an advantage for the team you support, but it is more complex where people are directing sustained abuse at their own team or members of the team, denigrating their ability. This is particularly the case when delivered in person, but also on an open forum where anyone can see it. I would say Thistle fans are generally tolerant (O'Donnell, Erskine - confidence players who haven't replicated their Thistle form elsewhere; Pogba; Azeez, etc.), but there are some supporters who do occasionally pick on a scapegoat. There is fair and (reasonably) objective criticism of performances and then there is abuse for the sake of it. Edited August 9, 2017 by flashman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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