Norgethistle Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 hours ago, watties wallies said: the question is , do we have an opt out clause on his 2 year contract It’s probably a rolling 2 year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: It’s probably a rolling 2 year deal Bearing in mind that Gary Caldwell was unemployed with his managerial career in tatters, the club were negotiating from a position of real strength. Surely there must have been a few get out clauses put in the contract? Edited December 26, 2018 by AndyMac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, AndyMac said: Bearing in mind that Gary Caldwell was unemployed with his managerial career in tatters, the club were negotiating from a position of real strength. Surely there must have been a few get out clauses put in the contract? Also we have a lawyer as CEO who has bern a player manager and director of the youth academy so he will know contracts inside out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, AndyMac said: Bearing in mind that Gary Caldwell was unemployed with his managerial career in tatters, the club were negotiating from a position of real strength. Surely there must have been a few get out clauses put in the contract? Remember this is Thistle we’re talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: Remember this is Thistle we’re talking about True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, AndyMac said: Bearing in mind that Gary Caldwell was unemployed with his managerial career in tatters, the club were negotiating from a position of real strength. Surely there must have been a few get out clauses put in the contract? Agree. If our board have given Caldwell a 2 year contract with no way Thistle can get rid off him, without it costing us a fortune, it would be complete incompetence by the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Auld Jag said: Agree. If our board have given Caldwell a 2 year contract with no way Thistle can get rid off him, without it costing us a fortune, it would be complete incompetence by the board. Ok lets assume that there is no get out clause - what next ? Do we stick with him no matter the results ? And where does that leave the Board ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Ok lets assume that there is no get out clause - what next ? Do we stick with him no matter the results ? And where does that leave the Board ? It leaves the board as to what they already are. A shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 It should leave them personally out of pocket. If he is fired (and I hope he has a successful transfer window and succeeds) they should shoulder the responsibility and cost. The removal cost should not reduce the playing budget nor the finances to hire a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, eljaggo said: It should leave them personally out of pocket. If he is fired (and I hope he has a successful transfer window and succeeds) they should shoulder the responsibility and cost. The removal cost should not reduce the playing budget nor the finances to hire a replacement. None of the board are shareholders, why would it leave them personally out of pocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Norgethistle said: None of the board are shareholders, why would it leave them personally out of pocket And this, to me, is one of the strangest things about our club at the moment. The directors aren’t shareholders (or at least major shareholders) and yet the major shareholder (the fans’ trust) isn’t on the board. Does anyone have an explanation as to why this is so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, KemoAvdiu said: And this, to me, is one of the strangest things about our club at the moment. The directors aren’t shareholders (or at least major shareholders) and yet the major shareholder (the fans’ trust) isn’t on the board. Does anyone have an explanation as to why this is so? A closed shop of people who think they know better than anyone else? Partick Thistle's history is littered with incompetent boards. We now have another one who are helping taking our club to the third tier and wilderness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, KemoAvdiu said: And this, to me, is one of the strangest things about our club at the moment. The directors aren’t shareholders (or at least major shareholders) and yet the major shareholder (the fans’ trust) isn’t on the board. Does anyone have an explanation as to why this is so? Not shareholders and largely people with no past affiliation with the club. It’s perplexing. And the memo and articles suggest somehow our shareholder group have ceded power to this board. The long term aim for every football club, but certainly ours, should be skills based elections onto the board which is the truest way to achieve supporter representation. Edited December 27, 2018 by jaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, jaf said: Not shareholders and largely people with no past affiliation with the club. It’s perplexing. And the memo and articles suggest somehow our shareholder group have ceded power to this board. The long term aim for every football club, but certainly ours, should be skills based elections onto the board which is the truest way to achieve supporter representation. Are there any particular skills required to be on a football clubs board as opposed to any other business ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: Are there any particular skills required to be on a football clubs board as opposed to any other business ? By skills based, I did not mean football specific. I meant to have the specific skill sets any board should have all covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Personally, I think we should view the appointment of a club Chairman and Chief exec in a similar way to recruiting any employee. There needs to be a formal process to sift the good candidates from the bad. Its not clear to me what selection process there was when Jacqui Low was appointed or any previous chairman. Who else was interviewed when Gerry go the chief exec's job? Part of the process should be to go and look around for someone with experience of being chairman or chief exec who either see Thistle as a step up or because of past association would want to do the position. Other clubs have in recent years headhunted their Chairman and their chief exec from across industry. Our method of appointment until now on chairmen tends to be whichever director who's on the board at the time of a vacancy and who fancies giving it a go. For chief execs it tends to be ex-players with an interest in administration. With such a random selection process our results will be random. To me its another indicator that we are still someway away from being a properly professional organisation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, jaf said: By skills based, I did not mean football specific. I meant to have the specific skill sets any board should have all covered. It would certainly be perplexing if none of the board have shares, although it is normal for the main shareholders to appoint their representative to the board. I am pretty sure that if you have a certain % of the shares you are entitled to be represented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, laukat said: Personally, I think we should view the appointment of a club Chairman and Chief exec in a similar way to recruiting any employee. There needs to be a formal process to sift the good candidates from the bad. Its not clear to me what selection process there was when Jacqui Low was appointed or any previous chairman. Who else was interviewed when Gerry go the chief exec's job? Part of the process should be to go and look around for someone with experience of being chairman or chief exec who either see Thistle as a step up or because of past association would want to do the position. Other clubs have in recent years headhunted their Chairman and their chief exec from across industry. Our method of appointment until now on chairmen tends to be whichever director who's on the board at the time of a vacancy and who fancies giving it a go. For chief execs it tends to be ex-players with an interest in administration. With such a random selection process our results will be random. To me its another indicator that we are still someway away from being a properly professional organisation. Who would carry out those interviews ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) In addition to the lack of shareholdings I think I’m right in saying only two of the board (judging from their profiles on the club website) have any prior connection to Thistle - Alan Rough and Brian Donald (happy to be corrected if I’ve missed something on the website or I’m just wrong, which is very possible!). A prior connection absolutely isn’t and shouldn’t be an essential criteria of being on the board, but if you don’t have a shareholding and you aren’t a Thistle fan then why are you on the board if not to boost your own profile and CV? I find that worrying. Edited December 27, 2018 by KemoAvdiu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Chesterfield have sacked their manager. Perhaps they will take Caldwell back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z88 Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Martin Allen: Chesterfield sack manager after falling into National League drop zone - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45654209 The shape of things to come?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Who would carry out those interviews ? I presume you mean for the chairman? If so there are at least couple of options 1. The board can comission a recruitment company to run the process from candidate identification to recommended appointments 2. The board could select a recruitment panel from within its own members and whoever it feels might be best to advise them to conduct the process. Option 1 is usually the best as the recruitment company has more market experience and can headhunt canidates in employment For the chief exec, the board could do the above or additionally give responsibility to the chairman to organise and select. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Norgethistle said: None of the board are shareholders, why would it leave them personally out of pocket I was suggesting that they as individuals foot the bill for the cost of replacing Caldwell if it comes to that. Fat chance I admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, laukat said: I presume you mean for the chairman? If so there are at least couple of options 1. The board can comission a recruitment company to run the process from candidate identification to recommended appointments 2. The board could select a recruitment panel from within its own members and whoever it feels might be best to advise them to conduct the process. Option 1 is usually the best as the recruitment company has more market experience and can headhunt canidates in employment For the chief exec, the board could do the above or additionally give responsibility to the chairman to organise and select. The person chairing the panel should ideally be the recruiting manager (the one who the eventual post-holder is managed by). Depending on whether GC reports to Chief Exec or Chair, it would have been Jacqui or Gerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggot Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 Anyone who was at Saturdays game would have seen that thistle are more competitive than they have been all season - County are top of the division and this game could so easily have been a draw Soft ( 'definitely wasn't a' ) penalty and a breakaway goal after Storey went down too easily in the centre circle ( looking for a free kick) were the two low points and despite a decent performance Jags came away with nothing Caldwell has inherited Archie's team and needs to be given a chance - there is so much anti Caldwell sentiment in this forum - I wonder if he was an ex-rangers player if he would receive the same premature criticism. Hmmm let me think....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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