steve61 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Dundee must vote NO. a) Looking for promotion and would have a very good chance in play offs b) Voting YES would see their bitter rivals promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, steve61 said: Dundee must vote NO. a) Looking for promotion and would have a very good chance in play offs b) Voting YES would see their bitter rivals promoted. Their statement indicate no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, allyo said: If you were neutral in this how do you think you'd vote? For sporting integrity. However there is no neutrality in this scenario - not only are people's livelihoods at stake, the existence of numerous clubs are at stake. Those are considerations which ultimately sway a decision to vote one way or the other. I've no problem with clubs voting to secure their existence given the Hobson's choice they have been given by the SPFL. Any port in a storm, after all. Having said that, the SPFL should not have called this vote under the current circumstances and are clearly trying to influence the outcome. Which on its own should be enough to render it null and void in the interests of voting integrity. Edited April 10, 2020 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Doesn't the spfl just represent the clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, allyo said: If you were neutral in this how do you think you'd vote? I'd vote no. The SPFL are doing the same thing as they did when they tried to shoehorn Sevco into the SPL and then the championship i.e. money matters more than football. I've read comments sayings its not the SPFL proposing this its the clubs as they just represent the clubs. Thats nonsense. We have in Doncaster et al a SPFL interested in the pursuit of money at all costs. They didn't have to table the proposal and could have easily tabled several proposals and let the clubs choose which on they favoured. If we had a SPFL leadership that ensured football was the main priority monetary success would follow. Instead we're making decisions to keep TV companies and the old firm happy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said: For sporting integrity. However there is no neutrality in this scenario - not only are people's livelihoods at stake, the existence of numerous clubs are at stake. Those are considerations which ultimately sway a decision to vote one way or the other. I've no problem with clubs voting to secure their existence given the choice they have been given by the SPFL. Having said that, the SPFL should not have called this vote under the current circumstances and are clearly trying to influence the outcome. Which on its own should be enough to render it null and void in the interests of voting integrity. Not sure Integrity is part of the remit of the SPFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 But the reason the spfl chases money is that that's what the clubs want, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 7 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Not true Aberdeen and Hibs aren’t doing it for their own good , think they’ve looking at the big big picture and I’m sure Anne Budge etc are meaning they will take it as far as they can legally whether that’s FIFA etc or the Court of Sporting Arbitration and you would be suing the governing bodies who run the Associations You are a member - the governing body works for you - therefore you cant sue yourself if the majority vote in favour you have no appeal as its within the rules of your governing body so talk of suing etc is nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, laukat said: If ICT are indeed holding the deciding vote you have to say they have played their cards very well. Either they get a 14 team spl or they get a bing to vote no. Most likely some sort of bung and we go down. If we do go down I'll only be going to Falkirk away. I have no desire left to help other scottish football clubs it is most definetly the Self Preservation Football League. Dont ever want see Doncaster anywhere near firhill. Didn’t Montrose also vote no as well as Falkirk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, allyo said: Doesn't the spfl just represent the clubs? Yes - they take there instructions from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, jlsarmy said: Not sure Integrity is part of the remit of the SPFL My point exactly - thanks for underlining it. It's one thing finding ourselves in the relegation places due to our own incompetence, but with a reasonable opportunity to play ourselves out of it. It is another thing entirely for the ruling body to attempt to impose an adjudication that disposes of us and others in similar positions unilaterally and in an inconsistent manner (see Brechin). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: For sporting integrity. However there is no neutrality in this scenario - not only are people's livelihoods at stake, the existence of numerous clubs are at stake. Those are considerations which ultimately sway a decision to vote one way or the other. I've no problem with clubs voting to secure their existence given the Hobson's choice they have been given by the SPFL. Any port in a storm, after all. Having said that, the SPFL should not have called this vote under the current circumstances and are clearly trying to influence the outcome. Which on its own should be enough to render it null and void in the interests of voting integrity. Agree after this comlete shambles/farce this thing should be null and void. Start discussions next week on league reconstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said: You are a member - the governing body works for you - therefore you cant sue yourself if the majority vote in favour you have no appeal as its within the rules of your governing body so talk of suing etc is nonsense I’m not sure that logic holds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, javeajag said: I’m not sure that logic holds You can only appeal on grounds of rules not being followed - its within the rules using a 75% vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said: You can only appeal on grounds of rules not being followed - its within the rules using a 75% vote I’m not a lawyer but I’m not sure what rules or procedures have or have nit been followed correctly but you could test that in court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Third Lanark said: Didn’t Montrose also vote no as well as Falkirk? I assumes the 3 no votes in leagues 1 and 2 were Falkirk, Stranraer and Edinburgh City but you may be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter of '63 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) There are no neutrals - everyone votes in their own self-interest. As I posted earlier in this thread, this "solution" would not be applied and the Leagues called if Rangers had been two points behind Celtic with a game in hand...incidentally Rangers would be Champions in that scenario. Edited April 10, 2020 by Winter of '63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, allyo said: Doesn't the spfl just represent the clubs? In theory yes but in practice they have a board that makes decisions and in this case put a proposal to all clubs when in effect it requires a rule change. The SPFL could have put forward mutiple proposals and asked the clubs to choose so why did the board choose only to present this one? Perhaps the answer to that lies in the make up of the board which is as follows: Neil Doncaster (CEO), Murdoch MacLennan (Chairman), Karyn McCluskey (non-executive), Alan Burrows (Motherwell), Les Gray (Hamilton Academical), Stewart Robertson (Rangers), Ross McArthur (Dunfermline Athletic), Ewen Cameron (Alloa Athletic), Ken Ferguson (Brechin City) and Peter Davidson (Montrose). As I've said before Sevco might publically moan about this proposal but they privately need it to pass. Looking at the rest of the board is it not suprising that the propsoal dindn't relegate Brechin when they have a rep on that board? Hamilton will be quite happy to get another season in the SPL and the rest would just be happy to get access to the prize money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 From Jordan Campbell hearts and rangers voted against Dundee the missing vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: From Jordan Campbell hearts and rangers voted against Dundee the missing vote Seems Dundee have already voted but the SPFL have lost the email, you couldn't make it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: From Jordan Campbell hearts and rangers voted against Dundee the missing vote They Vote Yes - there promotion Hopes are gone and United go up They Vote No - they could risk going under - so they have to Vote Yes - they have no choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, jlsarmy said: Seems Dundee have already voted but the SPFL have lost the email, you couldn't make it up Who needs Netflix ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, jlsarmy said: Seems Dundee have already voted but the SPFL have lost the email, you couldn't make it up There’s a musical in this really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: They Vote Yes - there promotion Hopes are gone and United go up They Vote No - they could risk going under - so they have to Vote Yes - they have no choice Think their vote was definitely a NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, javeajag said: There’s a musical in this really More like a Brian Rix Farce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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