Third Lanark Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 On Official Website: The fast moving events that have unfolded in Scottish football over the last few months have led to an unprecedented level of speculation. To reiterate our statement of Friday; there is presently no decision for Partick Thistle, or any other SFL club, to make. Indeed there may never be a requirement for further discussion. We, as a Club, are aware though that there has, over the last 24 hours or so, been much discussion on the subject among our supporters. We are keen, therefore, to emphasise that should we be required to be involved in making a decision on the involvement of a newco Rangers club in the SFL that the views of our supporters will be of paramount importance to us. Working closely with the onethistle group, we would make use of every avenue open to us to seek the views of, and canvas opinion from, our supporters to help us better formulate a position that promotes the best interests of Partick Thistle Football Club and Scottish Football as a whole. We have believed for some time that fundamental changes need to be made to Scottish Football. The future of the sport in this country is too important not to involve the lifeblood of the game, the supporters, in making what we feel are the important changes necessary to safeguard the future of the game. In the meantime the hard work continues at Firhill as we strive to provide a Partick Thistle team in which we can all take pride in. We thank you for your continued support of Partick Thistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 On Official Website: The fast moving events that have unfolded in Scottish football over the last few months have led to an unprecedented level of speculation. To reiterate our statement of Friday; there is presently no decision for Partick Thistle, or any other SFL club, to make. Indeed there may never be a requirement for further discussion. We, as a Club, are aware though that there has, over the last 24 hours or so, been much discussion on the subject among our supporters. We are keen, therefore, to emphasise that should we be required to be involved in making a decision on the involvement of a newco Rangers club in the SFL that the views of our supporters will be of paramount importance to us. Working closely with the onethistle group, we would make use of every avenue open to us to seek the views of, and canvas opinion from, our supporters to help us better formulate a position that promotes the best interests of Partick Thistle Football Club and Scottish Football as a whole. We have believed for some time that fundamental changes need to be made to Scottish Football. The future of the sport in this country is too important not to involve the lifeblood of the game, the supporters, in making what we feel are the important changes necessary to safeguard the future of the game. In the meantime the hard work continues at Firhill as we strive to provide a Partick Thistle team in which we can all take pride in. We thank you for your continued support of Partick Thistle. That's better that they are involving the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel J. Botch Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Happy with that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 A slightly better statement than yesterday's but doesn't say 'no to newco' in 1st divsion like Falkirk's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennythistle Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Yeah that is a bit better. Just wished that is what they had issued first of all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Traveller Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Suddenly the club can't stop talking about this! It's a step in the right direction and that's got to be better than running full tilt in the wrong direction like Beattie's been doing in the papers for the last couple of days. It would be nice to think it was heartfelt. I don't even know quite what One Thistle is in practice, but it sounds like it might be acting as the angel on one shoulder whispering in the chairman's ear to cancel out the wee cheat-pandering devil on the other side. So can we get a meeting? Aitken Suite, unrestricted entry, full and frank exchange of views kind of thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Good to see that they are realising that the fans should be involved. It shouldn't have come to this, Beattie should have realised what the reaction was going to be with the reaction of the fans of the SPL clubs. Disappointed in his judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted June 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 A slightly better statement than yesterday's but doesn't say 'no to newco' in 1st divsion like Falkirk's! Are you sure Falkirk's statement said that as there seemed to be a lot of anger from Falkirk fans that it didn't say no to newco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thriller Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Lets just be thankful for the Board seem to have seen, or been shown , the light . We can`t let Newco near our Div1. Keep up the pressure guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven H Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Good to see that they are realising that the fans should be involved. It shouldn't have come to this, Beattie should have realised what the reaction was going to be with the reaction of the fans of the SPL clubs. Disappointed in his judgement. I'd still be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt a bit. It's plausible that he could have been asked questions from one angle (i.e. if they were in the division what would the finacial impact be? or would newco in 1st div be a good thing for the league?) but his answer could have been strategically placed in by the journo who is coming at things from a specific angle, i.e to talk up the idea of newco in SFL1. It might not be as cut and dried as we think but the bottom line is DBs mantra should have been 'it's nothing to do with Thistle and if/when it becomes an issue we will deal the matter then'. End of, no room for 'creative license' no chance of being misrepresented and no groundswell of concern in the red and yellow army. A good point made by a mate on facebook, would we have had this kind of response (and in as timely a manner) if a certain Mr Cowan was till at the helm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Just say no, then we can start buying season books. It's that simple for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) I'd still be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt a bit. It's plausible that he could have been asked questions from one angle (i.e. if they were in the division what would the finacial impact be? or would newco in 1st div be a good thing for the league?) but his answer could have been strategically placed in by the journo who is coming at things from a specific angle, i.e to talk up the idea of newco in SFL1. It might not be as cut and dried as we think but the bottom line is DBs mantra should have been 'it's nothing to do with Thistle and if/when it becomes an issue we will deal the matter then'. End of, no room for 'creative license' no chance of being misrepresented and no groundswell of concern in the red and yellow army. A good point made by a mate on facebook, would we have had this kind of response (and in as timely a manner) if a certain Mr Cowan was till at the helm? Edited cause i didn't read it properly haha! Edited June 23, 2012 by redandyellowallover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I'd still be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt a bit. It's plausible that he could have been asked questions from one angle (i.e. if they were in the division what would the finacial impact be? or would newco in 1st div be a good thing for the league?) but his answer could have been strategically placed in by the journo who is coming at things from a specific angle, i.e to talk up the idea of newco in SFL1. It might not be as cut and dried as we think but the bottom line is DBs mantra should have been 'it's nothing to do with Thistle and if/when it becomes an issue we will deal the matter then'. End of, no room for 'creative license' no chance of being misrepresented and no groundswell of concern in the red and yellow army. A good point made by a mate on facebook, would we have had this kind of response (and in as timely a manner) if a certain Mr Cowan was till at the helm? I think you're probably right in a lot of that. But of course a simple "no comment" isn't much use to a journalist, so he may have fired in some leading questions and then selectively quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Just say no, then we can start buying season books. It's that simple for me That's it in a nutshell. A simple statement, that PTFC would not vote for any newco automatically gaining access to Division 1 would satisfy I reckon around 99% of Thistle fans, and 99% of people who believe that morality should be central to sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) There is another thread regarding this so I will copy what I put on the other one Agreed....that is much better and credit (at the moment) to the board for taking on board the anger amongst the clubs life blood. Looks like the only way they can get this through is if 75% vote to allow NEWCO into Div 1. Would be surprised if they will get that amount of support and hopefully our club will not even consider voting yes to this Edited June 24, 2012 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Happy enough with that statement. I'd be happier if someone on here could confirm that the One Thistle group have both the influence to effect fans wishes and of course would be in tandem with the groundswell of opinion over this specific matter. I'm fairly confident they are but it would be nice to know for certain. They are at the moment whether they like it or not the nearest we have to a supporters association representation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggyman Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 That's it in a nutshell. A simple statement, that PTFC would not vote for any newco automatically gaining access to Division 1 would satisfy I reckon around 99% of Thistle fans, and 99% of people who believe that morality should be central to sport. If the club said that id be on the phone straight away ordering my season ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) If the club said that id be on the phone straight away ordering my season ticket spot on - there was a bit in yesterdays Herald sport paper about a queue for season tickets starting at Tannadice minutes after the 'No' announcement was made bu DUFC. Edited June 24, 2012 by gianlucatoni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) That's it in a nutshell. A simple statement, that PTFC would not vote for any newco automatically gaining access to Division 1 would satisfy I reckon around 99% of Thistle fans, and 99% of people who believe that morality should be central to sport. First reaction to agree, Jaggers, but it might be politic for the Board to say no more for a few days at least. I notice already two or three remarks in the media singling PTFC fans out as having objection to newco in Div 1. I lifted this from a lengthy piece in the Scotsman In terms of most SFL clubs, especially those in the First Division, the new Rangers starting at the second tier is a win-win. As such, the deal is therefore being presented as a fait accompli. Yet, the SFL are understood to require that the Rangers-inspired changes be approved at an emergency general meeting by 75 per cent of their members, which would equate to 23 of their 30 clubs. That may not be as straightforward as has been imagined. Essentially, the battleground over an Ibrox newco could be about to move on to the SFL, with supporters of Partick Thistle already having voiced a boycott threat if the latest Rangers rescue plan is activated. It's not a case of objection to us taking the moral high ground as such more that it might be prudent to wait till fans/chairmen of other Div 1 clubs are more prominent in their disapproval of this nonsense. Edited June 24, 2012 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I'm glad The Scotsman has the balls to call it out for what it is, a "rescue plan". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I think in this new statement, we can see the subtle influence of the One Thistle group; they seem to be a much more effective communication conduit to the Board than the remnants of the Jags Trust could ever aspire to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Happy enough with that statement. I'd be happier if someone on here could confirm that the One Thistle group have both the influence to effect fans wishes and of course would be in tandem with the groundswell of opinion over this specific matter. I'm fairly confident they are but it would be nice to know for certain. They are at the moment whether they like it or not the nearest we have to a supporters association representation. The recent Club statement was put out in conjunction with the onethistle team.Its role in any future decision will be to ensure the fans are given as much opportunity to make there feelings known to the Club and vica versa to allow the Board of Directors to put forward there view.onethistle will not have any say in the debate (it it occurs) either way, its role is to ensure effective communications to the fans and allow there views to be heard. We recognise that as well as the formal Supporters organisation there is a a wide array of fans groups which we will ensure we communicate with, I read that the Chairman of St Johnstone met with a Fans Forum Group last week.Plus we also recognise that not everyone can attend public meetings due to time and distance ,we will take this fact onboard when looking at a Communications strategy if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Good stuff JJ, that's helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 The recent Club statement was put out in conjunction with the onethistle team.Its role in any future decision will be to ensure the fans are given as much opportunity to make there feelings known to the Club and vica versa to allow the Board of Directors to put forward there view.onethistle will not have any say in the debate (it it occurs) either way, its role is to ensure effective communications to the fans and allow there views to be heard. We recognise that as well as the formal Supporters organisation there is a a wide array of fans groups which we will ensure we communicate with, I read that the Chairman of St Johnstone met with a Fans Forum Group last week.Plus we also recognise that not everyone can attend public meetings due to time and distance ,we will take this fact onboard when looking at a Communications strategy if required. All excellent. Their. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 From daily record site, link on other thread. " SCOTTISH football chiefs last night shook hands on a verbal agreement that will see a Rangers newco play in the First Division next season. But the game’s rulers will face opposition from member clubs as they try to push the deal through. The talks involving SFA chief Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster of the SPL and SFL top dog David Longmuir are also set to spark a major revamp of our game. Play-offs between the SPL and SFL would return and there would also be a redistribution of TV and sponsorship money. A joint statement from all three bodies last night stated: “Further consultation will take place in the near future, with the aim of reaching a positive outcome.” The weekend summit meeting had mainly focused on finding an avenue for Rangers to be allowed into the First Division. Gers face a vote on July 4 to see if their newco will be granted entry into the SPL but the bid looks doomed to failure. Longmuir will now urge his member clubs to allow Gers to drop down just one flight. But that won’t be straightforward as several SFL clubs will oppose the move. Falkirk chairman Martin Ritchie has already gone public with his objections and more clubs are expected to follow." Three bodies and not a clue about fans feelings amongst them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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