kni Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Who spotted Gary Fraser's potential? Or that of Stevie Lawless? I mean, the latter only had a few loan spells at Albion Rovers to boast of before he joined us. Steven Lawless's potential was evident when he was at Motherwell. Their fans were disappointed when 'Well let him go. Similarly, Gary Fraser's potential was clear when he was with Hamilton and Wigan Athletic had spotted it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 This world needs less Champ Manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Steven Lawless...Their fans were disappointed when 'Well let him go. Talk sh*te. And Muirhead? And ATS? I realise most of these were Mcnamara signings, but the point I'm making is that you don't need an exhaustive network or super scout (as nice as it would be to have them) to make decent signings. Edited August 21, 2014 by Dark Passenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Talk sh*te. And Muirhead? And ATS? I realise most of these were Mcnamara signings, but the point I'm making is that you don't need an exhaustive network or super scout (as nice as it would be to have them) to make decent signings. Bobby Dinnie was still scouting for us until last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I suppose we owe all our recent success to that remarkable man, then. We'll never unearth a player of great potential again. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I suppose we owe all our recent success to that remarkable man, then. We'll never unearth a player of great potential again. Ever. Not at all but the manager commented last season that he needed more scouting resources to find new talent. It's easier to scout young players who are playing in our leagues. Osbourne, Higginbotham, Taylor, Osman and Seabourne all came from League One clubs so they were/are experienced at playing at our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Centre-back Carl Magnay wasn't good enough for us but he's been playing at a level above Ben Richards-Everton. Tamworth were in the Conference last season so Magnay wasn't playing at a level above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Tamworth were in the Conference last season so Magnay wasn't playing at a level above. Gateshead were in the play-offs with 79 points. Tamworth were relegated - second bottom with 39 points. Tamworth were at a different level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Gateshead were in the play-offs with 79 points. Tamworth were relegated - second bottom with 39 points. Tamworth were at a different level. Doesnt mean he isnt a better player? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Piccolo gone now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 We're now just two players short of Archie's avowed target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Not at all but the manager commented last season that he needed more scouting resources to find new talent. It's easier to scout young players who are playing in our leagues. Osbourne, Higginbotham, Taylor, Osman and Seabourne all came from League One clubs so they were/are experienced at playing at our level. Sigh. You don't deserve people trying to make sense of your inane drivel but are you implying this guy is rubbish purely because he played at a level below some players who were previously deemed not good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkingbadges Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 So ATS must have been utter shite cos we signed him from a scottish pub team. If I recall it's been a while since dools came on that free from Real Madrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Sigh. You don't deserve people trying to make sense of your inane drivel but are you implying this guy is rubbish purely because he played at a level below some players who were previously deemed not good enough? Our successful recruits have been from English clubs in League One. The Conference is two tiers below that level and Tamworth were were relegated from it last season with 39 points from 46 games games - less than a point per game. If you have watched Conference games last season, you would know how awful the standard is in that league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Our successful recruits have been from English clubs in League One. The Conference is two tiers below that level and Tamworth were were relegated from it last season with 39 points from 46 games games - less than a point per game. If you have watched Conference games last season, you would know how awful the standard is in that league. Which is presumably why he isn't being considered for the first team right away, and is being sent out on loan. I'm sure that there are a few good players in the division. The standard of football played by ATS before signing for us would have been lower still, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted August 21, 2014 Members Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Do you watch many conference games then kni? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 An obvious point being ignored is that our new signing is 22 years old - in other words a young man with potential. Whether we can develop that or not is another matter but we've brought on several good young players so far so I'm reasonably confident we can do so with him. He looked not a bad player to me in the pre-season friendly - though obviously not a true competitive test - so I think this could be a good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Do you watch many conference games then kni? Only on the telly when there's nothing else on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Our successful recruits have been from English clubs in League One. The Conference is two tiers below that level and Tamworth were were relegated from it last season with 39 points from 46 games games - less than a point per game. If you have watched Conference games last season, you would know how awful the standard is in that league. There have been countless examples of players playing in relatively low quality leagues who have gone on to make very good careers for themselves. No idea why I am even engaging you with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 An obvious point being ignored is that our new signing is 22 years old - in other words a young man with potential. Whether we can develop that or not is another matter but we've brought on several good young players so far so I'm reasonably confident we can do so with him. He looked not a bad player to me in the pre-season friendly - though obviously not a true competitive test - so I think this could be a good signing. Not at all disagreeing with your optimism, but what age was Gabby this time last year? Didn't we sign him in similar circumstances? My point is that any signing is a risk, because there are no guarantees that it'll work out. Those of us of a certain age may remember (or prefer not to remember) Harry Curran coming from St Johnstone in exchange for Roddy Grant. On paper it was an ideal signing, but he ended up being a total failure, and then some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Which is presumably why he isn't being considered for the first team right away, and is being sent out on loan. I'm sure that there are a few good players in the division. The standard of football played by ATS before signing for us would have been lower still, surely? Yes but ATS was 2 years younger when he signed for us. We were in the second tier at the time and he had time to develop. We signed Coalan McAleer and sent him out on loan "to develop" but he was released this summer. Is Ben Richards-Everton better than Liam Lindsay who reportedly did well with Alloa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Not at all disagreeing with your optimism, but what age was Gabby this time last year? Didn't we sign him in similar circumstances? My point is that any signing is a risk, because there are no guarantees that it'll work out. Those of us of a certain age may remember (or prefer not to remember) Harry Curran coming from St Johnstone in exchange for Roddy Grant. On paper it was an ideal signing, but he ended up being a total failure, and then some. My point was aimed at those suggesting he's likely to be no use because of the level he previously played at. Of course every signing is a risk and all managers will get some right and some wrong (e.g. Kerr last year) but the better managers will get more right than wrong. Also it looks like Archie is going to loan him out for a brief spell and not throw him in at the deep end as we did with Piccolo last year. Something the manager has learned perhaps - also he has more leeway with budget this year seen by the fact we already have an experienced centre-half signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes but ATS was 2 years younger when he signed for us. We were in the second tier at the time and he had time to develop. We signed Coalan McAleer and sent him out on loan "to develop" but he was released this summer. Is Ben Richards-Everton better than Liam Lindsay who reportedly did well with Alloa? How do you expect any of us to be able to answer that. At the end of the day Archie has had the boy on trial for a few weeks now and clearly seen there was enough talent to give him a years deal, seemingly with most of that spent on loan. Why you are so outraged by this signing is beyond me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes but ATS was 2 years younger when he signed for us. We were in the second tier at the time and he had time to develop. We signed Coalan McAleer and sent him out on loan "to develop" but he was released this summer. Is Ben Richards-Everton better than Liam Lindsay who reportedly did well with Alloa? I have no idea, I hope so and have faith in Archie's judgement. Equally I'm well aware it might not work out. Don't see the point of being so pessimistic five minutes after he's signed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Is Ben Richards-Everton better than Liam Lindsay who reportedly did well with Alloa? I'm a little bemused why it's important to know but judging purely on the 45 mins I saw B R-E play I'd suggest they are two different types of players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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