javeajag Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Published for the season so far ..... We are up 1.32% or 58 people ! To 4442 average Dundee and St Johnstone are the only ones down Hamilton and St Johnstone are below us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Is that compared to the whole of last season or upto the break ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Dundee and St Johnstone are the only ones down  That would change next season if Dundee Utd are promoted. Ideally we want St Mirren to come up.  Our main concern is the number of home fans that turn up. It's easy to lay the blame at a poor season, when not just poor results but our style of play hasn't exactly been attractive, but in truth there doesn't seem to be much previousr evidence to suggest better results and play will bring the missing fans flooding back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Home fan numbers dwindle because the premier league is no longer a novelty. So we go back to the core. Â What we really need is a relegation, followed by a couple of seasons of pressing and play-off heart-break, before another glorious title, and it all becomes new and exciting again. That or a cup final. Â It's the harsh reality of Scottish football. You don't 'build' because there is really nothing to build. You just hope to keep it fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Relegation is never good imo. Since the Premier league started anytime we have been relegated it has taken us at least 9 seasons to get back to the top league.ICT lost at least £1.2m because of relegation last season and Falkirk have got rid of there youth development scheme because they want to put all there money into getting into the Premier league. Edited January 15, 2018 by Auld Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 I can't believe that any Jags fan would actually want us to be relegated. Be careful what you wish for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 I can't believe that any Jags fan would actually want us to be relegated. Be careful what you wish for. Â I do agree. If tho' the 2nd tier was say a league of 16-20 clubs and not the current incestuous four times a season monotony then at least relegation would be less painful. Multiple visits to the likes of Falkirk, Dumbarton and my own particular bete noire, Livingston, would not be something to be savoured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Home fan numbers dwindle because the premier league is no longer a novelty. So we go back to the core. Â What we really need is a relegation, followed by a couple of seasons of pressing and play-off heart-break, before another glorious title, and it all becomes new and exciting again. That or a cup final. Â It's the harsh reality of Scottish football. You don't 'build' because there is really nothing to build. You just hope to keep it fresh. Â Relegation would do our attendances no good whatsoever..... maybe one or two larger-than-normal gates for potential crunch matches (e.g. like the Dunfermline and Morton games in our most recent promotion season); otherwise, no away supports, no special reason to go and see 2nd tier- standard football.... Â What we need is to be challenging within the top six to try to do even better; even then, it might just be that most of our fans are either nomads or stay-at-home or stay-in-the-pub "supporters." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 What we need is for the top league to be expanded to 16 teams, playing each other home and away. This obviously reduces the number of Home games but that could be boosted by say making the league cup sections home and away, or having some kind of playoff for Europe/Relegation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 30 league games also would stop the stupidity of teams and fans travelling long distances for games in winter, often in midweek (us V Ross Co just before Christmas last season and Aberdeen last month spring to mind  No chance of it happening until the spfl stop slavering at the feet of sky and bt for the leftovers after they have bought English football Edited January 16, 2018 by Wayfarer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 <p>30 league games also would stop the stupidity of teams and fans travelling long distances for games in winter, often in midweek (us V Ross Co just before Christmas last season & Aberdeen last month spring to mind)</p> <p> </p> <p>No chance of it happening until the spfl stop slavering at the feet of sky & bt for the leftovers after they have bought English football</p> <div style="left: -1000px; top: 24.1px; width: 1px; height: 1px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute;"> </div> Â <p>Hear<p> & <p> Hear! </div> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Fixed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I can't believe that any Jags fan would actually want us to be relegated. Be careful what you wish for. Â No. Devil's advocate really, I'd never wish for relegation because you don't know what's going to follow. I'd be as miserable as any Jags fan if it happened (though Saturday football would be good). Â But I do believe that if (and it's a big if) you go down and bounce back it can invigorate the club and the fans. Hibs were treading water for years before their relegation. Â You obviously can't plan for that so you'd be mad to make it a strategy. Â My main point though is that at our level there is a risk of complacency or boredom setting in. Kilmarnock have been in the premier league for years but it hasn't turned them into a huge, happy, vital and progressive club with increasing fan base. Â That's why I reckon that in the big picture, relegation and promotion are essential components of Scottish football, to try to keep things fresh. And why I think a large league which consigns many of our clubs to 'mid-table stability' would be a terrible step. Â And its ok. I know no one agrees with me on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018   No. Devil's advocate really, I'd never wish for relegation because you don't know what's going to follow. I'd be as miserable as any Jags fan if it happened (though Saturday football would be good).  But I do believe that if (and it's a big if) you go down and bounce back it can invigorate the club and the fans. Hibs were treading water for years before their relegation.  You obviously can't plan for that so you'd be mad to make it a strategy.  My main point though is that at our level there is a risk of complacency or boredom setting in. Kilmarnock have been in the premier league for years but it hasn't turned them into a huge, happy, vital and progressive club with increasing fan base.  That's why I reckon that in the big picture, relegation and promotion are essential components of Scottish football, to try to keep things fresh. And why I think a large league which consigns many of our clubs to 'mid-table stability' would be a terrible step.  And its ok. I know no one agrees with me on this.  A larger league doesn’t have to lead to mid table stability. You could still have some kind of playoff system or more teams being promoted/relegated ? Most people agree that it is playing each other 3 or 4 times that is leading to lethargy among the fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Relegation is never good for a club imo.Seen an article that said that the Scottish Premier league is the best supported league per capita in Europe.The English Premiership was 11th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter of '63 Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) My main point though is that at our level there is a risk of complacency or boredom setting in. Kilmarnock have been in the premier league for years but it hasn't turned them into a huge, happy, vital and progressive club with increasing fan base. Â That's why I reckon that in the big picture, relegation and promotion are essential components of Scottish football, to try to keep things fresh. And why I think a large league which consigns many of our clubs to 'mid-table stability' would be a terrible step. Â And its ok. I know no one agrees with me on this. I agree with you! Â I like the current set-up where almost every game has a real competitive edge - only two teams have won the League in the past 30 years and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable - the rest of us are hoping for European Qualification in a good season but other than that staying in the top league is a creditable achievement. Â A larger League would inevitably reduce that edge...and if we had a poor season and were relegated, we would be facing the likes of Stenhousemuir, Annan and Montrose every week - I wouldn't be that interested in going to watch poor quality part-time players with virtually no supporters. I take the point about repetitive fixtures particularly for those fans who go to all away games but I would rather watch us play Aberdeen or Hearts twice in a season in meaningful matches at Firhill than Raith Rovers or Queen of the South in games where the result doesn't really matter. Edited January 16, 2018 by Winter of '63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I agree with you! Â I like the current set-up where almost every game has a real competitive edge - only two teams have won the League in the past 30 years and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable - the rest of us are hoping for European Qualification in a good season but other than that staying in the top league is a creditable achievement. Â A larger League would inevitably reduce that edge...and if we had a poor season and were relegated, we would be facing the likes of Stenhousemuir, Annan and Montrose every week - I wouldn't be that interested in going to watch poor quality part-time players with virtually no supporters. I take the point about repetitive fixtures particularly for those fans who go to all away games but I would rather watch us play Aberdeen or Hearts twice in a season in meaningful matches at Firhill than Raith Rovers or Queen of the South in games where the result doesn't really matter. Â I agree up to a point, but I remember the 70-71 season when for the first time in living memory Thistle got relegated from the top flight. So yes it was the likes of Stenhousemuir, Montrose, East Stirling, Arbroath every week...... and it was brilliant!! But that was due to the novelty, and the fact that our team of youngsters was clearly something special as they rampaged (with some stumbles) through the season. The problem now though would be that for most of the past 30 years we've been playing those kinds of teams quite regularly, and it's all too rare that we have a great team like back in 70-71 or a few years ago when we won promotion. Â A larger league, everybody plays each other twice, with expanded play-offs to keep the edge would be the best of both worlds, I reckon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Jag Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 We're playing in a league which we are never going to win. If we are in the top league our target is avoiding relegation and maybe getting a wee run in one of the cups. Â We won't attract many more supporters on a regular basis unless we are challenging for the competitions. Â I usually attend around half the home games and some away games each season. I attended more games in our promotion season especially towards the end of the season as the excitement and tension built. The Morton game is still probably the best memory in recent history. Â If playoffs at the top were introduced like in rugby union, rugby league, basketball etc then more teams would have a real interest throughout the season. Pipe dream I know as the Ugly sisters would never allow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 We're playing in a league which we are never going to win. If we are in the top league our target is avoiding relegation and maybe getting a wee run in one of the cups. Â We won't attract many more supporters on a regular basis unless we are challenging for the competitions. Â I usually attend around half the home games and some away games each season. I attended more games in our promotion season especially towards the end of the season as the excitement and tension built. The Morton game is still probably the best memory in recent history. Â If playoffs at the top were introduced like in rugby union, rugby league, basketball etc then more teams would have a real interest throughout the season. Pipe dream I know as the Ugly sisters would never allow it. Â Even if there were play offs that would mean playing some clubs a minimum of SIX times a season. I realise the play offs would generate good crowds but given the repetition some of that could easily be at the expense of games during the season. Â What's rarely mentioned but imo pertinent is the devaluation of the cup competitions. A lot must have to do with the number of cup fixtures involving clubs in the same division (another trip to McDiarmid, anybody?). This is easily backed up by the relatively cheaper tickets for cup games to generate interest. Saturday's game is a glorious exception to the rule but if we get thru what's the chances of an interesting fixture in the next round? Â I wouldn't be in favour of further tampering with the League by introducing play offs. I say further tampering as the split after 33 games is both nonsensical and a product of inequity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I acknowledge that I go to few away games, and don't really watch the other team, which probably skews my view on the league size. Basically, I don't care if we play the same team six times, coz I'm not really watching them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delthejag Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 leagues of 20. home & away once. 4 up 4 down 4 each league in playoffs. If you do go down, top 8 finish gets u a chance of promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 We should go for the Belgium model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Pure waffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Pure waffle Liege or Brussels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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