topcat Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Well the Statement from the club had about as much affect as a chocolate fireguard last night. Even over the Abroath roaring gale FTP and FTQ was given laldy. Good job nobody really watches BBC Scotland. Maybe no one else in officialdum noticed Edited September 14, 2019 by topcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted September 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, topcat said: Well the Statement from the club had about as much affect as a chocolate fireguard last night. Even over the Abroath roaring gale FTP and FTQ was given laldy. Good job nobody really watches BBC Scotland. Maybe no one else in officialdum noticed I heard it too on the telly... 1st half was so bad I had the sound turned down but I did hear it around the 68th minute... did wonder if an updated version might have changed the last 2 lines but not so. Perhaps not everyone is aware of statements on the official site etc. Maybe the club should ould get the old Tag + lanyard crew from the Morton game a few years back out of retirement to distribute an officially endorsed club songbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Partick Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 I just wonder, the club have rightly in my mind come forward with a statement about a certain song. I just wonder, if the fans start singing Caldwell get to f---, if the club will listen and act !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapiti Jag Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 I wish people would get this right, it's FyourP and FyourQ — it's an anti-sectarian song, it's supposed to shine a light on the bigotry of the arse cheeks while showing that we are different. If we're actually singing FtheP and FtheQ then we deserve whatever punishment is dished out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornwood Jag Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 Whether its FYP/Q or FTP/Q this song needs binned. If we truly want to show we're anti-sectarian then we should completely avoid the language of the bigotry of the OF. Not because it's offensive but because it's moronic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 In over fifty years of supporting Thistle I have never sang this song and never will. We have enough problems to deal with without giving the authorities a reason to make an example of us, so they can say they are doing something to stamp this out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kapiti Jag said: I wish people would get this right, it's FyourP and FyourQ — it's an anti-sectarian song, it's supposed to shine a light on the bigotry of the arse cheeks while showing that we are different. If we're actually singing FtheP and FtheQ then we deserve whatever punishment is dished out. Perhaps not the point you're making but can you honestly say that the morons at Hampden that run our game will be capable of distinguishing the difference? No way am I being critical of those singing the song. Confuses me to some degree why it was being sung quite so much at Arbroath but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapiti Jag Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 6 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Perhaps not the point you're making but can you honestly say that the morons at Hampden that run our game will be capable of distinguishing the difference? Oh they know the difference, but that wouldn't stop them using us as a scapegoat and example rather than go after the real culprits simply because we're an easy target. We don't need to make it easier for them by actually singing 'the' instead of 'your'. This song will die out when people individually stop singing it, so it really does come down to supporter choice I suppose—you'll never ban a song by diktat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Kapiti Jag said: I wish people would get this right, it's FyourP and FyourQ — it's an anti-sectarian song, it's supposed to shine a light on the bigotry of the arse cheeks while showing that we are different. If we're actually singing FtheP and FtheQ then we deserve whatever punishment is dished out. FTP and FTQ was being sung on Friday and previously at Morton. Just get it binned and rise above, imo! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 I used to like it. The sentiment of it is ok, but unfortunately subtle satire and football chanting don't really mix, no one else really gets it, and we just end up sounding like bigots who are buying into the whole old firm shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrybriscoe Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 I was brought up as a Catholic and as a boy went to see the Bankies. See,..although no longer a practicing Catholic I've still got to get the odd confession out. At approx 14yo my oldest brother took me to an Old Frm game at Parkhead and it didn't work out the way I think it was intended. On the night, for reasons now faded, I took a liking to Rangers and for the next 4 years, much to the bemusment of family and friends went to see Rangers which I thoroughly enjoyed. I went off to London to work at my career and returned in 1990 a wiser head and fell in love with the Jags. To this day though, the expression FYP/FYQ makes me cringe, as it did way back in those days at Ibrox. Not because I'm a devout Catholic but because it must be offensive to a good number of our own support and has no place at Firhill. I agree wholeheartedly with Allyo that the sentiment of the song is lost on most of the Old Firm support. There's some very bright people on this forum, so surely we can come up with an alternative ending to the song. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 It's so easy... we are a non sectarian team dont mind the pope, don't mind the queen we also don't like Aberdeen and also those in aubergine and also those in tangerine I could go on. And on... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firhillista Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 This isn't a hard one... Just stop ******* singing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) put you to sleep like Ovaltine we're Jedi knights from Tattooine the old firm is an ugly scene or maybe it is Maybelline Now would you pass the Germolene so f*** your flutes, play tambourine * (* follow with jingle jingle) Anyway, King doesn't rhyme so realistically the song probably only has a few years left. Edited September 15, 2019 by allyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 Pre season we launched the rainbow strip to signify that we are a club that accepts everybody. Quite simply put I don't think there is any need for this song. We have plenty more we can sing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 It's a great song and nobody is really stupid enough to think it's anything but anti-Old Firm and Sectarianism. Of course, tens of thousands of people will belt out anti-Catholic/pro-IRA songs at Ibrox/Parkhead every week but the Police are clearly never going to bother taking that problem on. It would be far easier for them to try to make an example of a club with fewer supporters to be seen to be doing something. Unless prominent figures emerge in the media who are prepared to call out the Old Firm as the focus for sectarian hatred in Scotland then I would continue to sing our song. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 So the club will know where to send the invoice if they get fined then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, scotty said: So the club will know where to send the invoice if they get fined then? I agree with the principles of the song and I don't think any of us should have to pretend any respect for the Old Firm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, milhouse said: It's a great song and nobody is really stupid enough to think it's anything but anti-Old Firm and Sectarianism. Of course, tens of thousands of people will belt out anti-Catholic/pro-IRA songs at Ibrox/Parkhead every week but the Police are clearly never going to bother taking that problem on. It would be far easier for them to try to make an example of a club with fewer supporters to be seen to be doing something. Unless prominent figures emerge in the media who are prepared to call out the Old Firm as the focus for sectarian hatred in Scotland then I would continue to sing our song. You actually say yourself the authorities will never touch the main 2, but would make an example of a smaller club. If for no other reason we should stop singing it for that. I don't think it is a great song either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 4 hours ago, milhouse said: I agree with the principles of the song and I don't think any of us should have to pretend any respect for the Old Firm. It's not about showing respect for the OF but not attacking the beliefs of people of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapiti Jag Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, scotty said: It's not about showing respect for the OF but not attacking the beliefs of people of faith. This argument is nonsense. The people who sing the songs that the Old Firm sing are not "people of faith," they are religious bigots. They have the usual twisted view of religion and faith that goes with this, I doubt even 25% of them are even religious in any way—they just use their songs as hatred. Our song could, and should, be seen as supporting people of actual faith by pointing out that the Old Firm's version of religion is poisoned, this is fundamentally why it's 'your' and not 'the'. I have no skin in this game but if we are forced to stop singing this song with its positive connotations so that the Old Firm can keep their vitriolic chants then we have become a true cuddly toy off the field as well as on. If we do drop it it should at least be recognised for what it is, its real meaning, otherwise we'll just go down in the books as the wee sectarian club who was forced to stop singing a song; after all history is written by the victors and that certainly won't be us… as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas clark Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 It is quite noticeable that, when it is sung, the volume around the word ' Pope' and the volume around 'Queen' are around 50% less than of the surrounding volume of the piece. It suggests to me that folk see the overall point, but - probably rightly - have no truck with extremism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 I get that it isn't meant badly... But are you really saying that "f*** your Pope" should not be offensive to a practicing Catholic, because it's "your" and not "the"? Don't really care if the song is offensive to bigoted old firm fans. I'm far more concerned if it is offensive to people with faith. Or even these kinda weird people who love the royal family and have tea sets and shit. I just don't think it washes. And as I say, I totally get that the intention is not to be offensive. But when you break it down, it actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Easy: change it to an ironic LUV yer pope and LUV yer queen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, douglas clark said: It is quite noticeable that, when it is sung, the volume around the word ' Pope' and the volume around 'Queen' are around 50% less than of the surrounding volume of the piece. It suggests to me that folk see the overall point, but - probably rightly - have no truck with extremism. Or maybe they get caught up in the singing and tail off when they realise what they are about to sing. Better not to start it at all. Edited September 16, 2019 by scotty spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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