dl1971 Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 43 minutes ago, javeajag said: It may have been …..but your predictive ability is unproven unless you know the lottery numbers this week? to be clear we changed manager apparently to get promotion …..we failed in that objective …..who carried the can ? We changed manager to have an improved chance of promotion. What happened thereafter clearly demonstrated the decision was right ( timing not withstanding ) for the overwhelming majority of our support. Its really very simple unless you have a rather skewed view of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 I don't like using stats to prove a point but they certainly support Doolan over McCall. League games were....... McCall- 10W 3D 10L. I can't see how projecting that form forward would've got us anywhere near promotion. Doolan- 11W 6D 2L. Significant improvement. So you could argue that the Board were slow to change manager, Should've been in more of a rush, perhaps? As I say I'm not one for stats, especially in hindsight, and I wasn't one calling for McCall to go. However I'm not in the least displeased with the decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 8 hours ago, dl1971 said: We changed manager to have an improved chance of promotion. What happened thereafter clearly demonstrated the decision was right ( timing not withstanding ) for the overwhelming majority of our support. Its really very simple unless you have a rather skewed view of things. Well we were one point off fourth , McCall got sacked and we finished fourth thanks to other results and didn’t get promoted. that is failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, javeajag said: Well we were one point off fourth , McCall got sacked and we finished fourth thanks to other results and didn’t get promoted. that is failure. Only in your eyes. But keep going down that tunnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Hoping we don’t get Hearts in Scottish cup now. 🙄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, dl1971 said: Only in your eyes. But keep going down that tunnel. Only thistle fans would view failing to get promoted as well…..fine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Can't believe that anyone thinks that the change in management didn't bring us closer to promotion than had there be no change. If anything subsequent events are an argument that a change should have been made earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said: Can't believe that anyone thinks that the change in management didn't bring us closer to promotion than had there be no change. If anything subsequent events are an argument that a change should have been made earlier. Well maybe because it’s ‘thinks’ and no one knows what no change would have resulted in……but in fact we didn’t get promoted so the change failed in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 hours ago, javeajag said: Well we were one point off fourth , McCall got sacked and we finished fourth thanks to other results and didn’t get promoted. that is failure. Yes, indeed we failed to get promoted. While it is an opinion, the fact that results improved under Doolan, an inexperienced manager, took an experienced manager's squad and got them so close, when under McCall we were clearly going in the wrong direction and his squad had downed tools on him. Hiding behind the display at Ibrox, doesn't justify the argument for keeping McCall. His dismissal was justified. And as for relying on other teams results for us to get 4th. We didn't rely on other teams to do it, we got their with our own results. We were losing and out of top 4, when we equalised and got 4th. It isn't unusual in football that teams fail or succeed due to other teams results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 12 hours ago, javeajag said: It may have been …..but your predictive ability is unproven unless you know the lottery numbers this week? to be clear we changed manager apparently to get promotion …..we failed in that objective …..who carried the can ? If anything the mistake appears to have been not making the change earlier. Doolan’s points per game total was better than any team in the league. Ian McCall’s very wasn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcapmilkdrinker Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 On 8/27/2023 at 7:14 PM, javeajag said: who in a fan owned club should decide if potential investment is acceptable or not ? And who should know the broad outlines of what’s being proposed? And how should this shared with nominal fan owners? Looking forward to your nomination for the TJF Board at the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, madcapmilkdrinker said: Looking forward to your nomination for the TJF Board at the next election. As long as he sticks to the Campaign Slogan Four Legs Good Two Legs Bad and doesn't go “ off message” or asks questions -he will get elected no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 42 minutes ago, madcapmilkdrinker said: Looking forward to your nomination for the TJF Board at the next election. Not going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Woodstock Jag said: If anything the mistake appears to have been not making the change earlier. Doolan’s points per game total was better than any team in the league. Ian McCall’s very wasn’t. A legitimate view and one I had sympathy with at the time …..but ultimately we failed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, javeajag said: A legitimate view and one I had sympathy with at the time …..but ultimately we failed So? We fail in almost every season (you might say without fail!). Should we never try a new manager? Or players, for that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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