laukat Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 I can only think of Graham having 2 chances apart from scoring on Saturday. One that was ballooned over the bar but was not even a half chance category, the second were Robinson delays the pass until Graham is offside. That was it in 90 minutes, don't remember us creating anything else other than a few opportunities to cross which Fitzpatrick, Megwa and Milne failed to put the ball in any kind of area for Graham to attack. It was worse against Livingston and apart from a succession of corners against Hamilton we created nothing of note there that would constitute a reasonable expectation that Graham should score. Graham will struggle to get chances when we only play with 1 winger. The midfield will struggle to retain possession when we don't have 2 wide players as their outball is limited. Many have commented that Bannigan was good and brought a bit of composure and possession back and whilst he did, that was in part because at the same time Bannigan came on, Chalmers came on and for 12 minutes we had a balanced 4-2-3-1. Doolan then brings on Diack for Robinson and blows that shape and we're back to no possession and last gasp defending. Add in that he further compounds that by taking off a midfielder that can retain possession (Turner) for a midfielder that's really only there to defend and see the game out (Stanway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTFC1942 Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 Graham just made his move to be manager. Doolan does not have the balls to criticize players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 14 Author Report Share Posted October 14 (edited) 21 minutes ago, PTFC1942 said: Graham just made his move to be manager. Doolan does not have the balls to criticize players. If that comes to pass, Graham will probably get fired after one or two seasons; that's the kind of action that some "supporters" seem to want these days. It seems to me that for some supporters it's okay to shout for denial of income for people (and their families) who are trying to do their best to get good results for the team. club, and supporters. How would they feel about being in the same situation? Must we believe that these people are perfect in their jobs (if they have one) and never go through a period when things are going less well than planned? We're not doing well right now; but for Ch*****'s sake let's show some patience, and support. If things gets truly dire (not one game or even a handful, but a long series), then let's look again. Edited October 14 by Jaggernaut 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 6 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: If that comes to pass., he'll get fired after two or three seasons; that's what "supporters" seem to want. supporters just want success and/or good football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 Looks to me that Brian Graham just said all the right things to be considered for an upcoming manager vacancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 14 Author Report Share Posted October 14 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jag said: Looks to me that Brian Graham just said all the right things to be considered for an upcoming manager vacancy. So let's appoint BBG then bin him if he doesn't get us up and hold us there within the next couple of seasons. And if we do go up, then get relegated after one season, sack him! (Some "supporters": "Love BBG, but now a liability, got to go; destroying our club!) etc." That seems to be how it goes these days. Edited October 14 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 I think Doolan needs to be given a bit more time - drawing with the league leaders is not a sackable offence. However if push comes to shove in the future - and I hope it doesn't - then the last thing we need is another "club legend" manager. The Club's history is littered with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 Just now, eljaggo said: I think Doolan needs to be given a bit more time - drawing with the league leaders is not a sackable offence. However if push comes to shove in the future - and I hope it doesn't - then the last thing we need is another "club legend" manager. The Club's history is littered with them. Not really. Britton/Whyte was a disaster. Gerry Collins in that camp. However I'd argue Archibald was more than decent overall. As has Doolan, notwithstanding the first quarter of this season. John Lambie did a reasonable job too....So club legends can be a success.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 3 minutes ago, dl1971 said: Not really. Britton/Whyte was a disaster. Gerry Collins in that camp. However I'd argue Archibald was more than decent overall. As has Doolan, notwithstanding the first quarter of this season. John Lambie did a reasonable job too....So club legends can be a success.... Lambie was a great success in all his spells, but wasn't a legend until he became manager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 If we are looking at a new manager and we should be if we don't win against Airdrie, then I would rather to give Brian Graham a shot over some of the tried and failed cohort such as Ian Murray, Steven Naismith or other jobbers. If we have serious ambitions of going up this season then we need to go for someone who's actually won this league like Lennon, Bowyer or Neilson. When Raith got rid of Murray the names being banded about were really poor and I think their current manager was their 4th or 5th placed target. One of the general problems in Scottish Football is there is no real up and coming managers. McCabe at Airdrie was getting touted but results this season have not been good, Brown at Ayr gets touted for a lot more because of his playing career than his managerial record and Imrie is trying to change Morton's style which made me wonder if he thinks his image is putting bigger clubs off making him an offer but I don't see us being after any of them or any of them being better bets than what we have. The best managers in the championship is probably Martindale who no-one is going to touch for non-footballing reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 45 minutes ago, dl1971 said: Not really. Britton/Whyte was a disaster. Gerry Collins in that camp. However I'd argue Archibald was more than decent overall. As has Doolan, notwithstanding the first quarter of this season. John Lambie did a reasonable job too....So club legends can be a success.... John Lambie had never played with Partick Thistle before he became manager? He had had no link to the club before being appointed as manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 Just now, laukat said: If we are looking at a new manager and we should be if we don't win against Airdrie, then I would rather to give Brian Graham a shot over some of the tried and failed cohort such as Ian Murray, Steven Naismith or other jobbers. If we have serious ambitions of going up this season then we need to go for someone who's actually won this league like Lennon, Bowyer or Neilson. When Raith got rid of Murray the names being banded about were really poor and I think their current manager was their 4th or 5th placed target. One of the general problems in Scottish Football is there is no real up and coming managers. McCabe at Airdrie was getting touted but results this season have not been good, Brown at Ayr gets touted for a lot more because of his playing career than his managerial record and Imrie is trying to change Morton's style which made me wonder if he thinks his image is putting bigger clubs off making him an offer but I don't see us being after any of them or any of them being better bets than what we have. The best managers in the championship is probably Martindale who no-one is going to touch for non-footballing reasons I would hardly say Ian Murray is a failure. Knows the championship inside out and unlike Brian Graham has a lot of contacts in the game. SmBrian Graham would be a complete unknown in managing in the Scottish championship. Depending on what happens with McDonald and providing it wasurrays decision then I would have no problem with Graham being as assistant manager or joint assistant manager where he would be mentored by someone like Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 7 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: I would hardly say Ian Murray is a failure. Knows the championship inside out and unlike Brian Graham has a lot of contacts in the game. SmBrian Graham would be a complete unknown in managing in the Scottish championship. Depending on what happens with McDonald and providing it wasurrays decision then I would have no problem with Graham being as assistant manager or joint assistant manager where he would be mentored by someone like Murray Murray hasn't won anything as a manager despite having a decent budget at Airdrie relative to the league they were in, Raith he was well backed but ultimately got the sack and he had a bit of nightmare at St Mirren. Arguably his only real success was Dumbarton. So I don't see much in that cv that makes me excited. You would be hard pressed to compare Doolan and Murray's cv and think Murray was clearly a better bet. So we either appoint tried and failed (Murray, Naismith etc) or tried, proven but probably expensive (Lennon, Bowyer) or unknown with potential (Graham) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 How much pressure is on McCabe on Saturday? More or less than on Doolan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 Regarding Graham’s interview, it’s refreshing to know there’s at least one person in the dressing room who can tell it like it is. It offers some hope! You’d never hear Doolan be a truthful as that in his post match interviews. That’s not to say he doesn’t say so privately, if the documentary gets released I guess we might find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulguy jag Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 4 hours ago, PTFC1942 said: Graham just made his move to be manager. Doolan does not have the balls to criticize players. Heard from a source earlier today that Graham is running the dressing room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 3 hours ago, eljaggo said: I think Doolan needs to be given a bit more time - drawing with the league leaders is not a sackable offence. However if push comes to shove in the future - and I hope it doesn't - then the last thing we need is another "club legend" manager. The Club's history is littered with them. Doolan needs time , if you break it down Raith Rovers and Falkirk we were down to 10 men away from home and unfortunately we got beat I believe Doolan got his tactics right in the draw with Ayr United , at the time Ayr were flying and he flooded the midfield and got a credible draw away from home . The draws at home against Livi and Falkirk weren’t disasters as both will be challenging at the top end of the league this season It’s still early in the season, when we get some of the players back from injury we won’t be far away in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 2 hours ago, laukat said: Murray hasn't won anything as a manager despite having a decent budget at Airdrie relative to the league they were in, Raith he was well backed but ultimately got the sack and he had a bit of nightmare at St Mirren. Arguably his only real success was Dumbarton. So I don't see much in that cv that makes me excited. You would be hard pressed to compare Doolan and Murray's cv and think Murray was clearly a better bet. So we either appoint tried and failed (Murray, Naismith etc) or tried, proven but probably expensive (Lennon, Bowyer) or unknown with potential (Graham) Airdrie were competing with ourselves, Dunfermline, Falkirk and Willie Haugheys Queens Park - the budget Airdrie had was minuscule in comparison. Most Airdrie fans credit him with doing good work at Airdrie and putting in place the players and structures that Ultimately got the sack after 1 league game -if Doolan was at Raith and picked up 2 wins so far by their criteria he would be out on his ear also. his run at Raith was better than Doolan hence them finishing second. In fact most of their fans were shocked at him being sacked and his replacement ironically untested is certainly not getting off to a great start. Therefore he is not tried and failed. He wasn’t a success at St Mirren but to his credit he resigned thus saving St Mirren quite a bit of money. Not many managers have done that at Thistld that I can ever recall- in fact more they have waited to be sacked costing the club a fortune. You can bet he will have also learned the lessons from St Mirren. your saying go for the untested simply because it’s a Thistle player in Graham. Why must it always be a Thistle player. I’m guessing if Graham doesn’t work out you will then be demanding Bannigan is appointed manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 3 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Airdrie were competing with ourselves, Dunfermline, Falkirk and Willie Haugheys Queens Park - the budget Airdrie had was minuscule in comparison. Most Airdrie fans credit him with doing good work at Airdrie and putting in place the players and structures that Ultimately got the sack after 1 league game -if Doolan was at Raith and picked up 2 wins so far by their criteria he would be out on his ear also. his run at Raith was better than Doolan hence them finishing second. In fact most of their fans were shocked at him being sacked and his replacement ironically untested is certainly not getting off to a great start. Therefore he is not tried and failed. He wasn’t a success at St Mirren but to his credit he resigned thus saving St Mirren quite a bit of money. Not many managers have done that at Thistld that I can ever recall- in fact more they have waited to be sacked costing the club a fortune. You can bet he will have also learned the lessons from St Mirren. your saying go for the untested simply because it’s a Thistle player in Graham. Why must it always be a Thistle player. I’m guessing if Graham doesn’t work out you will then be demanding Bannigan is appointed manager I can assure you I will not be demanding Stuart Bannigan is made manager. I would have thought this would be Stuart's last season with us unless he is going to sign on very low wages. There is some merit in Graham as he has had at least coaching experience with the Womens team whilst thats a big old jump it is however something more than nothing. When you add that the guy is clearly a leader on the park he seems on face value most able to make the jump. Also it doesn't have to be an ex-thistle player for me just the best available candidate. For me thats probably Neil Lennon but if we can't afford him then we are looking at someone who has failed elsewhere or someone untested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 3 hours ago, Third Lanark said: John Lambie had never played with Partick Thistle before he became manager? He had had no link to the club before being appointed as manager I know that. But my point was when we brought him back.....he was a legend, albeit not as a player. Maybe ( a long shot ) a future ex player may do a Davie McParland.....sometimes it does work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 1 hour ago, mulguy jag said: Heard from a source earlier today that Graham is running the dressing room. Senior players often " run " the dressing room. Hardly a story.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 53 minutes ago, laukat said: I can assure you I will not be demanding Stuart Bannigan is made manager. I would have thought this would be Stuart's last season with us unless he is going to sign on very low wages. There is some merit in Graham as he has had at least coaching experience with the Womens team whilst thats a big old jump it is however something more than nothing. When you add that the guy is clearly a leader on the park he seems on face value most able to make the jump. Also it doesn't have to be an ex-thistle player for me just the best available candidate. For me thats probably Neil Lennon but if we can't afford him then we are looking at someone who has failed elsewhere or someone untested. I think it’s clear Neil Lennon foes like us even said this to me the one time I met him and given he is out of work maybe not as expensive as feared? Agree with you on Lennon and also completely agree with your comments on Bannigan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Why is there an assumption among posters that we would have to recruit any manager from the Scotland gene pool? Maybe if we do need a new manager, we should go for someone from further afield, with new ideas and a different perspective in terms of potential players. The Club needs a re-set in its thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 2 hours ago, eljaggo said: Why is there an assumption among posters that we would have to recruit any manager from the Scotland gene pool? Maybe if we do need a new manager, we should go for someone from further afield, with new ideas and a different perspective in terms of potential players. The Club needs a re-set in its thinking. Do you mean someone like Gary Caldwell. He might be Scottish but he hadn’t been part of the Scottish managerial gene pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Oor Gary is doing well at Exeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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