jagfaelivi Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I feel that , all season, and maybe in seasons past we lack a player like Scott Brown and , dare I say, Martin Hardie to harass and harangue the rest of the boys through till the end. We don't have somebody to take the game by the scruff of the neck and bully his own team when push comes to shove. We STILL back up and back up when it gets tight at the end and inevitably concede. Is there anybody around at our budget? Not necessarily a great player but somebody who would run through a brick wall for us? Comments/ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Janus Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 There isn't much between Thistle and St Johnstone - despite Willie Miller's one-sided view. We had a couple of chances, with Barton's header being the best effort, but not enough over the whole of the game. St Johnstone are a turgid team to watch. After they scored we struggled to create as they sat back, broke up play and hoofed it forward. They are very good at being utter shite to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglemon Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 St johnstone play boring % football very well. Felt great dozing in the conservatory today not really giving a shit about how we did! After the tensions of previous bottom six campaigns. Will get along to the Aberdeen game to give the team a well deserved summer send off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I heard Miller on the way back after the match and I suppose he did big up St J a tad too much. All he did tho' was to read out a list of goalmouth incidents and you could hardly argue in that respect he flattered the home team. A more general question would be to ask if you expect better from the BBC sports reportage than someone reading from a notebook. For all his linguistic faults, and I've always doubted English was his first language, at least Derek Ferguson leaves you with a better impression of how a match has panned out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of spain Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Stuart Bannigan & Gary Fraser if fit are miles better than any other centre mid bar osman, it's not even up for arguement just good banzo is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Janus Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) I heard Miller on the way back after the match and I suppose he did big up St J a tad too much. All he did tho' was to read out a list of goalmouth incidents and you could hardly argue in that respect he flattered the home team. A more general question would be to ask if you expect better from the BBC sports reportage than someone reading from a notebook. For all his linguistic faults, and I've always doubted English was his first language, at least Derek Ferguson leaves you with a better impression of how a match has panned out. A list of St. Johnstone's. He missed out Barton's header, Edward's shot and Azeez shot in the first half. All direct goalmouth incidents that were not mentioned. I was sitting right behind the goal and was convinced that Swanson dived for the penalty. Having viewed it on Jagzone, he DEFINITELY dived. He was on his way down before any contact and contact was only slight and made because he deliberately left his trailing leg in a position where it would slightly clip Keown's leg (which Keown was pulling away from the tackle). Definite dive. Edited May 14, 2017 by Hugh Janus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Murray Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Yes clear that Swanson put his leg out to get caught. Ref fell for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Dont understand the fuss about Willie Miller. Did we deserve anything from the game? If not and the performance was poor then what do you expect him to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) Dont understand the fuss about Willie Miller. Did we deserve anything from the game? If not and the performance was poor then what do you expect him to say? Yes and no. Is thats what you expect from Willie Miller? Yes. Is that's what you expect from BBC Sports Sound? Yes. Is it good enough? No. I'm not advocating that ex player/ex manager pundits should have thorough journalistic training, but they should receive the basics. It's not much to ask that in the time slot allocated they set the scene, give a balanced account of the salient incidents and end with a two/three sentence summary. Yesterday Miller made it sound as if St Johnstone were playing Tomas Cerny. True. we were poor and a draw would have somewhat flattered us but we were there. Edited May 14, 2017 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) That was one of our worst performances of the season. Team looked jaded or suffering from that defeat last week or both. The guys have been great this season so they are entitled to that one, however if we turn up like that on Thursday, it could be embarrassing. Yesterday yet again proved that the best bit of business Archie can do for next season is get Tomas Cerny a two year extension to his current contract. If he doesn't, teams will be swooping about him come January Edited May 14, 2017 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 That was one of our worst performances of the season. Team looked jaded or suffering from that defeat last week or both. The guys have been great this season so they are entitled to that one, however if we turn up like that on Thursday, it could be embarrassing. Yesterday yet again proved that the best bit of business Archie can do for next season is get Tomas Cerny a two year extension to his current contract. If he doesn't, teams will be swooping about him come January Man United might be looking for a decent goalkeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 The BBC stats had us with more possession and shots - so it couldn't have been onesided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policemans whistle Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 In Metro Archie says We have offered terms to three quality players [No names] said they were able to do this re our top six finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 The BBC stats had us with more possession and shots - so it couldn't have been onesided That says a lot about how St Johnstone set themselves up and play especially when you consider they were at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Have our players simply downed tools since they got into the top six? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 The 1st half at Tynecastle was utterly forgettable. The 2nd half we played some decent stuff. The Sevco game was the other way about and I wasn't at the game in Perth to comment. I passed comment when I saw the initial line-up against St Johnstone that there wasn't a creative player in there to make anything happen. I hope this is the area Archie is looking to add to this summer. Bannigan could be out for a while yet, even then he was playing more of a holding role prior to his injury and isn't the answer. We need a higgy type player to run and beat people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Would you take Higgy? If he got his full confidence back, maybe he could get his previous form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 No, simply because he was more cold than he was hot for us. There must be better out there with the added funds we should have for finishing Top 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Would you take Higgy? If he got his full confidence back, maybe he could get his previous form. No. His 2nd season wasn't great and it's been downhill all the way for him since he left. Also the hypocrisy of joining a team with a plastic pitch after slagging off Douglas Park a few weeks earlier was annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinistar Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 I'd take Higgy back in a heartbeat. He has raw, natural talent and on form was a joy to watch. Whether he wants to come back and/or Archie still fancies him is another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 I'm fairly sure Archie will at last find a replacement for Higgy. Someone who can play both sides but mainly cutting in from the left onto his right. As we change our formation regularly these days he'd have to also be able to play more centrally, either just off the striker or as a striker himself. That Higgy (first season) versatility offers everything that David Amoo can't or doesn't offer. McDaid was maybe seen as a future replacement for Higgy but he didn't quite make the grade. Must be annoying for Archie and also Lawless that Amoo can only play in the one position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Sometimes I just think a person fits a club. Higgy's second season form with us would concern me more than his dip since he left us. (But was he fully fit?) I don't know. On his day he was amazing, and the thought of him, Lawless, Erskine and Doolan in the same team is pretty attractive. If Archie thought he could get the best out of him then he might be worth a punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 I don't think Archie would want to bring Higgy back but we definitely need that type of player again. I've seen him a couple of times for Dunfermline this season and he looked quite good without standing out. Haven't heard many people get too excited about him. He obviously didn't do that well with Kilmarnock either On the player he is right now I would say no. However, I do kind of agree with Allyo - sometimes a player just fits a club. He's still only 27 and if he got his drive and passion for the game back at Firhill then who knows? I thought he was still good in his second season with us but was injured a lot and got more closely marked. It would definitely be a punt but not sure if it is one we need to take. Heart would say yes, head would say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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