Lenziejag Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 hours ago, eljaggo said: I am not suggesting for moment that fans boycott the remaining gaames. What has history got to do with challenging or not challenging for a high league finish? My assertion was/is that many posters on here are content with mediocrity, and for whom relegation will bring a shrug of the shoulders since our history shows that to have been pre-destined That is an absurd ambition for any sporting club that competes minute by minute, game by game. What is a high league position ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Right now ? Nothing. There are only 6 games left. The chances are a new manager isn’t going to be able to make a difference. You may not have vilified the manager or players, but others have. And isn’t now the time the team need our support most ? I think we were in a similar position our 1st season up. 1st game of the split we went to Rugby Park. Took a large crowd down, gave the team our full backing and came away with a win. But, I was responding to your assertion that we should be challenging for the top positions in Scotland. Unfortunately, history and finances disagree. Totally agree our Club needs our backing but don’t get the history bit at all, reverse parallel would be Clyde were a great team in the 50s ,Queens Park were once the driving force in Scottish Football , nothing to do with what is happening just now . In terms of finances , would think we’re on a par with St Johnstone and what they’ve achieved on a similar budget should be the template . Supporters have only questioned Archibald recently for the dreadful run of results that we’re in the midst of just now quite rightly and he’s only had a period of grace due to his playing career and his previous track record as a manager over the last 3/4 years. You’re probably right just now with 6 games to go what would be gained in changing the manager but after the season ends wherever we end up surely we need to look at how we progress ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 10 hours ago, Yellow & Redneck said: We are a club with no ambition. After we achieved the Top-6 last year, we should have really pressed on. Pressed on where exactly? We are the 2nd or 3rd lowest supported team in the league with probably a budget to match. We can’t compete with wages paid by the likes of Kille and Motherwell, probably even St J and Ross. If we can’t entice players financially what are we supposed to do? We can’t force players to play for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: In terms of finances , would think we’re on a par with St Johnstone and what they’ve achieved on a similar budget should be the template . Supporters have only questioned Archibald recently for the dreadful run of results that we’re in the midst of just now quite rightly and he’s only had a period of grace due to his playing career and his previous track record as a manager over the last 3/4 years. A quick Google search would suggest that's nowhere near an accurate assumption. There are supporters on here who have questioned, criticised and wanted the manager sacked since we got promoted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, potty trained said: A quick Google search would suggest that's nowhere near an accurate assumption. There are supporters on here who have questioned, criticised and wanted the manager sacked since we got promoted. We’re actually according to “ Google “ paying the 7 th highest average wage in the SPFL , should we be expecting better ? St Johnstone is a good template for us , similar crowds etc , seem to be an established club in the SPFL , wouldn’t like to watch them every week though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: We’re actually according to “ Google “ paying the 7 th highest average wage in the SPFL , should we be expecting better ? St Johnstone is a good template for us , similar crowds etc , seem to be an established club in the SPFL , wouldn’t like to watch them every week though Right now I would prefer to watch St Johnstone than Thistle every week. Scottish Cup winners a couple of years ago, European matches 1990-2000, 2012-2013, 2013-2014, 2014-2015, 2015-2016, 2017-2018. Thistle: zilch. Edited April 7, 2018 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Right now I would prefer to watch St Johnstone than Thistle every week. Scottish Cup winners a couple of years ago, European matches 1990-2000, 2012-2013, 2013-2014, 2014-2015, 2015-2016, 2017-2018. Thistle: zilch. Most of those when either Rangers, Hearts or Hibs or all 3 were not in the top league. The season, those 3 are back in, St J don’t make the top 6. Is anybody going to suggest what high league position Thistle should be challenging for consistently and give a logical reason why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: Most of those when either Rangers, Hearts or Hibs or all 3 were not in the top league. The season, those 3 are back in, St J don’t make the top 6. Is anybody going to suggest what high league position Thistle should be challenging for consistently and give a logical reason why ? We should be aiming/hoping for 10th place every season; anything higher that that is a bonus. Is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said: We should be aiming/hoping for 10th place every season; anything higher that that is a bonus. Is that right? That isn’t what I said. I asked what position we should be challenging for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 8 hours ago, potty trained said: There are supporters on here who have questioned, criticised and wanted the manager sacked since we got promoted. To add to that over the years I wouldn't be surprised to discover that virtually the only threads started by one or two posters have been directly after (often immediately after) poor results. Same one or two posters nowhere in sight, and certainly not starting threads, when we've played well and got a good result. It's totally understandable that there'll be considerably more traffic thru here when we're playing crap and not getting results. That's to be expected. Just not so certain about why some posters like to ignore the positives. btw that's just me surmising. I doubt I could back up what after all is only an assumption on my part. If true it's simply an observation and not a criticism. We're all Jags supporters and whatever way you support the team/club shouln't be a concern. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Lenziejag said: That isn’t what I said. I asked what position we should be challenging for? Well, I just suggested 10th position, and you said that's not what you asked for. So why don't you tell us (what you think is) the right answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: Well, I just suggested 10th position, and you said that's not what you asked for. So why don't you tell us (what you think is) the right answer? Is that where you think we should be aiming ? Eljaggo suggested a high league position - 10th isn’t that . What is a high league position we should be challenging for ? My view is that,at points,the highest we can challenge for is 5th or 6th. But there are probably 10 or 12 other Scottish teams that have the same thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I always feel we should be aiming for 10th and if we get better then great,i think that this is the same with a few teams in our league.When I said this in a thread earlier in the season I was told that you have to be more ambitious than that and we would be challenging for top 6.I was also told that we were much better than Kilmarnock,Ross County,Hamilton and Motherwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Another match another defeat ......it looks like the manager will be here till we get relegated .....wouldn’t be surprised if he’s here next season no matter what league we are in ..... the only unsackable manager in Scotland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Oh mate, change the record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Why don’t you just set out the case why he should stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, sandy said: Oh mate, change the record Record getting even better 26 points out of a possible 114 now How anyone can defend that is beyond me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulguy jag Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, sandy said: Oh mate, change the record Seriously sandy, how the feck you continue to defend Archibald, beggars belief. Are you a relation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Yes I’m his uncle’s cousin..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Record getting even better 26 points out of a possible 114 now How anyone can defend that is beyond me What figures are defensible in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, sandy said: Yes I’m his uncle’s cousin..... But you don’t actually defend him you just atrack people who think his time is up ..... go on defend him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, javeajag said: But you don’t actually defend him you just atrack people who think his time is up ..... go on defend him What sh*te are you talking now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Sorry your usually talking sh*te I shouldn't interrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Metz said: What sh*te are you talking now? Make a positive case for keeping the manager .....it’s simple if hes doing a great job just tell us .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, javeajag said: Make a positive case for keeping the manager .....it’s simple if hes doing a great job just tell us .... Who mentioned a great job You should know he is the manager that got us promoted. You should also know he is the manager that has successfully kept us in the division for 4 years, he also helped us to finish in our highest position for over 50 years . Probably you don't though you are only interested intrying to relegate us and the past four years are of no interest to you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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