Garscube Road End Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 51 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: Archie..... No, not a call to bring him back! But, almost a year since he got sacked, and no sign of him getting back into the game. Anybody think that he'll get another shot somewhere, or did the spectacular repeated failures after the hazy days of the top six -- the absolute tankings we took then, the terrible signings, the naive belief that long-term injured players would magically make us good again, the lack of motivation in the team when it really mattered -- finish him for good as a manager? I'd get rid of Brittain and give the job to Archie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander livingstone Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: I'd get rid of Brittain and give the job to Archie. I don't think Archie will get another job any time soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 I would love McCall to come back. Great eye for a player and seems to have rediscovered his mojo at Ayr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyhouston Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 McCall all day long for me if not Jim Duffy & Chic Charnley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Archie..... No, not a call to bring him back! But, almost a year since he got sacked, and no sign of him getting back into the game. Anybody think that he'll get another shot somewhere, or did the spectacular repeated failures after the hazy days of the top six -- the absolute tankings we took then, the terrible signings, the naive belief that long-term injured players would magically make us good again, the lack of motivation in the team when it really mattered -- finish him for good as a manager? Could it also maybe be that if Archie takes on a new gig somewhere it would mean we would have to stop paying him so perhaps he is sitting tight collecting a hassle free wage before thinking of return to management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 54 minutes ago, Bobbyhouston said: McCall all day long for me if not Jim Duffy & Chic Charnley And what have Jim Duffy & Chic Charnley done to make them candidates ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 We will end of with Kenny Miller until the takeover 1. We cant afford another Manager 2, If you look at Beatties last two Management Appointments Jackie & Archie were from the Playing Squad and they both worked - so he will play safe and do the same again if forced to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semi Nurainen Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 I would take Kenny Miller in a flash. People have pointed to Caldwell (in my view at times) analytical ability and relative (this is footballers we are talking about) articulacy, which I've always said would suit him for a job in the media. Has problem is that he deosnt seem be able to translate this understanding and analysis into action, hence 'at times' - as some of his substitutions (yesterday was one of the most damning examples) prove, also his preference for unfit, not sharp Hall over either Saunders or O'Ware. What he clearly lacks is any sort of undesrtanding of players' psychology, as exemplified by some of his pathetic stunts: dugoutgate, SASgate, and envelopegate ( a variation on the equally pathetic mind game that Rogers tried on a Liverpool), every one of these stunts has backfired abysmally. Footballers may not be geniuses, but they're not daft either and can be quite streetwise, they can see through these mind games for what they are. Caldwell is clearly simply not cut out for management; the sooner he leaves the better for all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Semi Nurainen said: I would take Kenny Miller in a flash. People have pointed to Caldwell (in my view at times) analytical ability and relative (this is footballers we are talking about) articulacy, which I've always said would suit him for a job in the media. Has problem is that he deosnt seem be able to translate this understanding and analysis into action, hence 'at times' - as some of his substitutions (yesterday was one of the most damning examples) prove, also his preference for unfit, not sharp Hall over either Saunders or O'Ware. What he clearly lacks is any sort of undesrtanding of players' psychology, as exemplified by some of his pathetic stunts: dugoutgate, SASgate, and envelopegate ( a variation on the equally pathetic mind game that Rogers tried on a Liverpool), every one of these stunts has backfired abysmally. Footballers may not be geniuses, but they're not daft either and can be quite streetwise, they can see through these mind games for what they are. Caldwell is clearly simply not cut out for management; the sooner he leaves the better for all. I want Caldwell gone. But why would you want Miller in? I don’t think we should confuse him constantly moaning at his team-mates - even for his own mistakes - as leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Miller wouldn't take it, he is best pals with Caldwell. Chances are he would walk if his mate was p45'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobbyhouston said: McCall all day long for me if not Jim Duffy & Chic Charnley Duffy & Charnley??? Ooft! No chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semi Nurainen Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, KemoAvdiu said: I want Caldwell gone. But why would you want Miller in? I don’t think we should confuse him constantly moaning at his team-mates - even for his own mistakes - as leadership. I've noticed that, and agree that it was particularly bad yesterday but have interpreted it at times as frustration. Actually I don't know how he managed to stay out of Dallas's book - after the sending offs he was nipping Dallas's ear constantly. He'd be less bad then Caldwell in my opinion, and I was responding to JJ's post. But I'd consider other options, such as Bunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 If he goes ( and that is far from certain for many of the reasons stated above ) I'd personally be delighted if McCall came back. Realistically no one else is available with a decent pedigree. I suspect nothing will happen until at least October when we stop paying off the old management team. Of course if the takeover happens before then...change may happen. September a huge month for PTFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, Pinhead said: Miller wouldn't take it, he is best pals with Caldwell. Chances are he would walk if his mate was p45'd You may well be correct but there's plenty of occasions when best pals have taken over as manager. Can't think of the scenario where this could come about. A new manager is appointed with Doolan returning as assistant manager. To qualify that it's head before heart as I honestly believe Kris has a lot to offer off the field even if no longer on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: We will end of with Kenny Miller until the takeover 1. We cant afford another Manager 2, If you look at Beatties last two Management Appointments Jackie & Archie were from the Playing Squad and they both worked - so he will play safe and do the same again if forced to I think this is right .... do you think the takeover will mean more cash in ? I’m not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfist Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 there is no way caldwell will resign and sadly can’t see the board sacking him due to finances. Will be interesting to see if he gets the signing he was looking for before the window closes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, KemoAvdiu said: I want Caldwell gone. But why would you want Miller in? I don’t think we should confuse him constantly moaning at his team-mates - even for his own mistakes - as leadership. I never said I wanted Miller as manager, but the thread is who WILL replace Caldwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I never said I wanted Miller as manager, but the thread is who WILL replace Caldwell. I know. I was responding to SN who said he would take Miller in a flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyhouston Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Garscube Road End said: Duffy & Charnley??? Ooft! No chance! What makes you think both wouldn’t take the gig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bobbyhouston said: What makes you think both wouldn’t take the gig I didn't say they wouldn't take it. I wouldn't have them near the Thistle job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 I think it might be a good idea to appoint someone who has actually been a manager before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnyjag Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Gary Caldwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, javeajag said: I think it might be a good idea to appoint someone who has actually been a manager before Alex McLeish, Jimmy Calderwood, Steve Lomas, John Hughes, Gordon Strachan, Craig Brown, Kenny Miller, Barry Smith, Neil McCann, Csaba Laszlo Jim McIntyre? Plenty to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Alex McLeish, Jimmy Calderwood, Steve Lomas, John Hughes, Gordon Strachan, Craig Brown, Kenny Miller, Barry Smith, Neil McCann, Csaba Laszlo Jim McIntyre? Plenty to choose from. Seriously? You missed out Andy Roxburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Alex McLeish, Jimmy Calderwood, Steve Lomas, John Hughes, Gordon Strachan, Craig Brown, Kenny Miller, Barry Smith, Neil McCann, Csaba Laszlo Jim McIntyre? Plenty to choose from. I’m in favour of punting Caldwell ASAP but this is maybe the worst list of potential replacements ever suggested. Doesn’t Jimmy Calderwood have Alzheimer’s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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