Dick Dastardly Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: I know i said no matter what team you support, i didn't mean supporters would be voting today. Surely not many chairman can be impressed by the way this vote has been handled. The money thing i feel has been a bit of a red herring as any chairman i have heard talking about it has said the final payment didn't make a lot of difference. In fact the Stranraer chairman said their final payment of £1,200 would not cover wages for 1 week. prepare to be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, fenski said: I don't actually think contact tracing technology will work until we have specifically built hardware. But that's a whole other debate... We’ve had in place for a month via your Bluetooth on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: We’ve had in place for a month via your Bluetooth on your phone. But was the Norwegian app developed by a company with ties to the Tory party? This could well turn out to be another ferry company with no ships! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: prepare to be surprised. When are we expecting the results of this Vote to be announced - or is that dependent on the availability of Mr Lawwell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Emsca said: When are we expecting the results of this Vote to be announced - or is that dependent on the availability of Mr Lawwell? rejected en masse - just seen it on daily record page - 13 teams voted for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colognejag Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Pinhead said: rejected en masse - just seen it on daily record page - 13 teams voted for it 2 abstentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 hours ago, jaf said: That's the big weakness here, those pushing for change are not articulating what the future looks like beyond the enquiry and desired removal of Doncaster. We can assume Gardiner will be in frame to replace him. In his own mind at least. Heaven help us all. We can assume all the board will probably resign too. They have to. Who runs the SPFL in between times? How do they heal the divisions? How long will the report take? None of the loudest barrels during this phase are likely to be favourites with the quiet compliant clubs to take over and win board elections, and if they do so they are surely the wrong people to heal division? What happens if the enquiry exonerates Doncaster and the Board and we have wasted months when we could have been trying to save the Scottish game? Presumably like the Deloittes report, no one will accept it? How do we end the farce? I just don't see how this resolution is anything other than a distraction at the most important time for our national game. Please correct me if I an wrong, but are you saying that because the removal of the SPFL Board would cause upheaval and difficulties ( which it undoubtedly would) there should be no enquiry, Rather that we should just accept that corruption and bullying happens and that it just has to be accepted as part and parcel of the keepie-uppy world of Scottish football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pinhead said: rejected en masse - just seen it on daily record page - 13 teams voted for it Do we no which teams or is that a secret?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Colognejag said: 2 abstentions. I find that bizarre, why abstain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelees jag Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, jaggy said: I find that bizarre, why abstain? My guess is celtic might be one..apparently lawell gave a rousing speech along with les Gray..still think there should be a vote of no confidence..be interesting to see what Inverness say in there next press release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 Only 1 championship team voted for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 Guess that is it over then, seaside league it is - done up again like a kipper as always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, Emsca said: Please correct me if I an wrong, but are you saying that because the removal of the SPFL Board would cause upheaval and difficulties ( which it undoubtedly would) there should be no enquiry, Rather that we should just accept that corruption and bullying happens and that it just has to be accepted as part and parcel of the keepie-uppy world of Scottish football? Nope, I am saying that if , at this time of all times, if you are going to call for the removal of something, you really need to sell a vision of what might come after.....if they had articulated that, they may have got more support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: Only 1 championship team voted for it So 30% of the Member Clubs want an independent enquiry into the behaviour of the Board that is appointed by and funded by the Member Clubs. It is hardly a ringing endorsement on their Stewardship. Hope a Vote of No confidence is the next step, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pinhead said: Guess that is it over then, seaside league it is - done up again like a kipper as always! If this football closedown continues like they anticipate then a few clubs will go to the wall. Reconstruction would have to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Whitelees jag said: ..be interesting to see what Inverness say in there next press release. Perhaps Gardiner will just release his CV this time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, jaf said: Nope, I am saying that if , at this time of all times, if you are going to call for the removal of something, you really need to sell a vision of what might come after.....if they had articulated that, they may have got more support The vision of what might come after would simply be a Board reprenting the best interests of all the Clubs in Scotland operating in a clear and transparent manner and for significantly less cost than that which is currently in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policemans whistle Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 What I would like to know is:- Is the first rule in the articles of the SPFL To promote Scottish football Is there a rule that says, If the football season cannot be concluded for any reason, then a points per game will be used to determine final placings. In the first case then it should be, and on the second case if not why not. And if not how did they come to that conclusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, jaf said: Perhaps Gardiner will just release his CV this time So the Championship club that voted for an enquiry wasn’t Caley by all accounts but was Hearts. Caley have made a lot of noise but (so far) done nothing to back it up. Same as Rangers, and to a lesser extent us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Emsca said: The vision of what might come after would simply be a Board reprenting the best interests of all the Clubs in Scotland operating in a clear and transparent manner and for significantly less cost than that which is currently in place. that's what we are supposed to have - and the members wont be any different, so how is the representation going to change? do you honestly think some football chairs are good guys, and some are wanks, and just by changing the people the world is a different place without changing the rules around how they operate? will your board be elected under the current articles? changed articles? how many on board? from what divisions? how are board members selected/elected? whats the voting structure - does it stay the same? to eliminate self interest you need fundamental structural change, not shuffling a few people around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: So the Championship club that voted for an enquiry wasn’t Caley by all accounts but was Hearts. Caley have made a lot of noise but (so far) done nothing to back it up. Same as Rangers, and to a lesser extent us why would it be Hearts when the Premiership hasn't been called yet? although as the lower leagues have been called there should be 13 Premiership clubs and 9 Championship you would think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, policemans whistle said: What I would like to know is:- Is the first rule in the articles of the SPFL To promote Scottish football Is there a rule that says, If the football season cannot be concluded for any reason, then a points per game will be used to determine final placings. In the first case then it should be, and on the second case if not why not. And if not how did they come to that conclusion Started with Neil Lennon and Peter Lawwell and someone in the SPFL thought it was a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Emsca said: So 30% of the Member Clubs want an independent enquiry into the behaviour of the Board that is appointed by and funded by the Member Clubs. It is hardly a ringing endorsement on their Stewardship. Hope a Vote of No confidence is the next step, If you add the abstentions as a No it’s almost 36%. I’m sure this is going to run and run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaty FC Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, jaggy said: why would it be Hearts when the Premiership hasn't been called yet? although as the lower leagues have been called there should be 13 Premiership clubs and 9 Championship you would think Probably more abstract accounting. I think the figure of 13 for was perhaps higher than I thought might have been the case. Most as before voting as "I'm all right Jack". Murdoch MacLennans remarks ; "I have taken careful note of the concerns expressed by the minority of clubs which voted in favour and when we are back to playing football in a safe environment, I will bring clubs together to discuss the lessons learned. Aye right! Where's the edge of the carpet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: So the Championship club that voted for an enquiry wasn’t Caley by all accounts but was Hearts. Caley have made a lot of noise but (so far) done nothing to back it up. Same as Rangers, and to a lesser extent us No; Hearts aren't counted as a Championship club. And neither are we. So the 1 Championship vote is ICT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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