Jaggydave Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Would almost say it's bringing the game into disrepute if the SG needed to get involved in football affairs...…..wonder is a Notice of Complaint is coming their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banderas Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Jaggydave said: Would almost say it's bringing the game into disrepute if the SG needed to get involved in football affairs...…..wonder is a Notice of Complaint is coming their way. in order of possibilities: SPFL to Aberdeen SFA to the SPFL/Aberdeen from FIFA/UEFA to the SFA ? government interference . the last possibility might explain the muddy language being published between the government and football authorities , that they requested rather than ordered . The rumour is that the FM was incandescent with rage on the subject especially with the back to school priority coming on Tuesday . Based on the words in the press from the FM , there's more than a hint to the industry that any re occurrence and your shut down by introducing targeted restrictions. Edited August 7, 2020 by banderas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 I like a bit of SPFL bashing but I don't blame them for this. The idiots who broke the rules are entirely to blame. It's a very serious offence. Hope Aberdeen throw the book at them and do so publicly. The future of small football clubs could be endangered by these stupid young footballers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 All over Europe football has it protocols agreed with govt to operate and they are not just about pubs and restaurants but also testing , social bubbles etc etc and of course players in Scotland just have to go to the pub get the virus and spread it around .....then the Aberdeen game is on then off what a governing body the only thing worse is Graham speirs blaming the scot gov for re opening the hospitality sector ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, BowenBoys said: I like a bit of SPFL bashing but I don't blame them for this. The idiots who broke the rules are entirely to blame. It's a very serious offence. Hope Aberdeen throw the book at them and do so publicly. The future of small football clubs could be endangered by these stupid young footballers. Fully agree although sadly not even all young footballers. Wont name names on a forum but one of them a seasoned 33yr old pro at the pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, elevenone said: Fully agree although sadly not even all young footballers. Wont name names on a forum but one of them a seasoned 33yr old pro at the pub. I fine role model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 56 minutes ago, banderas said: rumour is that the FM was incandescent with rage on the subject especially with the back to school priority coming on Tuesday . yep, nearly a hundred cases from about 30 boozers in Aberdeen over one weekend ... .. . it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what will transpire when 2000 primary schools, 360 secondaries & 130 odd specialist schools open their doors from Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifexile Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, BowenBoys said: I like a bit of SPFL bashing but I don't blame them for this. The idiots who broke the rules are entirely to blame. It's a very serious offence. Hope Aberdeen throw the book at them and do so publicly. The future of small football clubs could be endangered by these stupid young footballers. What are the penalties for failing to fulfil a fixture? Given all clubs are pleading poverty a points deduction may be a more appropriate sanction than a fine or withholding Aberdeen's cut of the tv money. I see the game has been rearranged so Dungcaster & Co won't simply be award the points to St Johnstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Hit them with a 12 point penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, gianlucatoni said: yep, nearly a hundred cases from about 30 boozers in Aberdeen over one weekend ... .. . it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what will transpire when 2000 primary schools, 360 secondaries & 130 odd specialist schools open their doors from Tuesday It can be done .... Denmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Jag II Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, fifexile said: What are the penalties for failing to fulfil a fixture? Given all clubs are pleading poverty a points deduction may be a more appropriate sanction than a fine or withholding Aberdeen's cut of the tv money. I see the game has been rearranged so Dungcaster & Co won't simply be award the points to St Johnstone. The very least the club can do is fine all eight two weeks wages. They didn't obey the Covid protocol. The club can claw back some of the goodwill lost by this if they then donate the fines to the Scottish NHS, or something similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, East Kent Jag II said: The very least the club can do is fine all eight two weeks wages. They didn't obey the Covid protocol. The club can claw back some of the goodwill lost by this if they then donate the fines to the Scottish NHS, or something similar Dr Catherine Calderwood resigned for breaking lockdown rules by visiting her second home. Dominic Cummings did absolutely nothing wrong. Eight Aberdeen players broke isolation protocols (and therefore their employment contracts) by visiting a pub. Two of them have contracted Covid 19. Who knows how many others are isolating as a direct result of their actions. Where on the Calderwood/Cummings Spectrum does this offence sit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 hours ago, gianlucatoni said: yep, nearly a hundred cases from about 30 boozers in Aberdeen over one weekend ... .. . it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what will transpire when 2000 primary schools, 360 secondaries & 130 odd specialist schools open their doors from Tuesday Luckily stats from continental Europe are showing schools and younger people do not increase the spread to each other or teachers unlike adults in enclosed places. You need to balance managing Corona virus versus the education of children including the social safety net it provides during the day. And it frees up parents to work as we all need to pay off this magic money from the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, javeajag said: It can be done .... Denmark We're not adopting the Danish model of teaching kids in pods and use of alternative venues for teaching though - it's everyone back in school by 18th August - I'm back in to a secondary school on Monday and it's been total radio silence in procedures, risk assessments etc Edited August 7, 2020 by gianlucatoni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 @gianlucatoni I'm lucky I can work from home. Do you have reservations about going back in? For nurseries and primary schools it seems minimal risk but I can understand concern over older kids (although European stats look positive). You may need a visor as kids are spitting mad about SQA downgrading marks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, gianlucatoni said: We're not adopting the Danish model of teaching kids in pods and use of alternative venues for teaching though - it's everyone back in school by 18th August - I'm back in to a secondary school on Monday and it's been total radio silence in procedures, risk assessments etc Different countries are adopting different approaches eg Sweden never shut schools and used a different approach again so let’s see.....Devi Sridhar who is worth listening to has said with the Scot govt elimination strategy , low levels of infection in the community and effective track and trace then opening schools is viable . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 hours ago, gianlucatoni said: yep, nearly a hundred cases from about 30 boozers in Aberdeen over one weekend ... .. . it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what will transpire when 2000 primary schools, 360 secondaries & 130 odd specialist schools open their doors from Tuesday And some of those pubs found out about it in the press and had to contact local authorities to see if they wanted the tracing records they had taken. They were not contacted by local or national government or health services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 So imagine the scene .....the govt allows football to restart and you agree a strict protocol to make that happen......it then turns out players at a club have broken these protocols and tested positive...do you A ...go to the provisions you agreed to put in place and the actions you agreed to take having completed a risk assessment on possible issues and concerns in this situation B....hold a number of ad hoc meetings and discussions as you react to events as they happen C.....check your still getting paid £380,000 a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, javeajag said: Different countries are adopting different approaches eg Sweden never shut schools and used a different approach again so let’s see.....Devi Sridhar who is worth listening to has said with the Scot govt elimination strategy , low levels of infection in the community and effective track and trace then opening schools is viable . Sorry she was till she took a position working for the Scot Govt, her (worse in England) tweets tell she’s being told how to say things, she’s already had to remove 3 tweets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, BowenBoys said: Dr Catherine Calderwood resigned for breaking lockdown rules by visiting her second home. Dominic Cummings did absolutely nothing wrong. Eight Aberdeen players broke isolation protocols (and therefore their employment contracts) by visiting a pub. Two of them have contracted Covid 19. Who knows how many others are isolating as a direct result of their actions. Where on the Calderwood/Cummings Spectrum does this offence sit? If you or me were instructed in writing by our employers that due to current situation you can’t visit here or there or do this or that as it brings a risk to other employees and ultimately the company, yet still went ahead and done it with 7 colleagues, we’d be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 hours ago, BowenBoys said: I like a bit of SPFL bashing but I don't blame them for this. The idiots who broke the rules are entirely to blame. It's a very serious offence. Hope Aberdeen throw the book at them and do so publicly. The future of small football clubs could be endangered by these stupid young footballers. Excuse my ignorance, but what rules did they break? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: If you or me were instructed in writing by our employers that due to current situation you can’t visit here or there or do this or that as it brings a risk to other employees and ultimately the company, yet still went ahead and done it with 7 colleagues, we’d be fired. Yes but as in our Dom's case, their employer won't take that action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Emsca said: Excuse my ignorance, but what rules did they break? They are supposed to be in a bubble. As agreed between the Scottish Government, the SPFL and their club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, BowenBoys said: They are supposed to be in a bubble. As agreed between the Scottish Government, the SPFL and their club. But if they went to the pub in their bubble- ie all 8 players together; and they socially distanced; what did they do wrong? I think they have been unlucky. Cannot believe players from the other SPFL teams did not go out together after last weekends games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: Sorry she was till she took a position working for the Scot Govt, her (worse in England) tweets tell she’s being told how to say things, she’s already had to remove 3 tweets Ok.....fact check....she has no position with the Scottish govt, receives no remuneration or funding but does feed into the Scot govt advisory committee see below .... The Scottish Government COVID-19 Advisory Group will be a time limited expert group chaired by Professor Andrew Morris, Professor of Medicine at the University of Edinburgh and Director of Health Data Research UK. He will be supported by vice chair, Professor David Crossman, Dean of Medicine at the University of St Andrews and Chief Scientist (Health) at the Scottish Government. She does in fact advise a number of other governments around the world , she is American and doesn’t quite understand the wonderful world of Scottish politics but of course as your anti independence you have to discount her professional advice her view on England not having a strategy on Covid except not over whelming the health system seems reasonable to many and not worse ?! July deaths Scotland 9 England. 2042 ill leave that there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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