Garscube Road End 2 Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: The way he played for us, we would have gladly accepted that. Every little bit helps. Absolutely. Every penny a prisoner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: We are due Around £40k by my calculations. Google solidarity payments 5% gets split between all the clubs that he was with upto 23. And we get more if he moves again to another club outside England Let's hope the transfer fee is the £2M reported then, although anything will be an unplanned for bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QXBoy Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 13 hours ago, QXBoy said: We are on PLUMS. He is now 26 years old - beyond the age limit for us ( or anybody else) to qualify for a cut. Further to my previous post. FIFA Regulations (Article 20 of Regulations on the status and transfer of players) -Training Compensation. "Until the end of the calendar year of his 23rd birthday". To repeat - Kevin Nisbet is now 26 years old. We are due nothing from his transfer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) It is not training compensation. It is a Solidarity Payment. They are different. Unlike training compensation, solidarity contribution will only be payable upon the international transfer of a player who is already a professional, as a transfer fee is not payable for amateur players. As the solidarity contribution is dependent on the transfer fee, solidarity payments will only be payable if a player is transferred for a fee, prior to the expiry of his employment contract. Another difference from training compensation is that transfers occurring after the season of a player’s 23rd birthday will continue to engage the obligation to pay solidarity contribution. The calculation of solidarity payments is slightly simpler than the calculation of training compensation. As a starting point, five percent of the transfer fee will be deducted, and divided between the clubs that trained the player between his 12th and 23rd birthday. The training years between the player’s 12th and 16th birthdays are valued at half of the of the value of the subsequent years. If the player is under 23 years old at the time of the transfer, the total solidarity payment will be less than five percent, as the compensation for the remaining years will be deducted. For every year that the player is younger than 23, 0.5% shall be deducted from 5%. Edited June 11, 2023 by Dick Dastardly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 2 hours ago, QXBoy said: Further to my previous post. FIFA Regulations (Article 20 of Regulations on the status and transfer of players) -Training Compensation. "Until the end of the calendar year of his 23rd birthday". To repeat - Kevin Nisbet is now 26 years old. We are due nothing from his transfer! Look at article 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 The question I have is what do we do with any money we receive from Nisbet's transfer? Do we put it to the playing budget in the thinking that if it helps get another player in or a current one to stay it helps results on the pitch which could help in getting higher up the table (more prize money) and increase crowds. Or do we say it was a bonus so keep the playing budget as agreed and use it to help build up our depleted reserves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 49 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: The question I have is what do we do with any money we receive from Nisbet's transfer? Do we put it to the playing budget in the thinking that if it helps get another player in or a current one to stay it helps results on the pitch which could help in getting higher up the table (more prize money) and increase crowds. Or do we say it was a bonus so keep the playing budget as agreed and use it to help build up our depleted reserves? Build our reserves. Go with our reduced playing budget and see how we lie in January, football wise and financially. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QXBoy Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: Look at article 21. OK D.D. I stand corrected. The question then is how the 5% (100,000 pounds, if 2 million pounds is the transfer fee) is split. Do clubs he was loaned to during his time as a Jag (East Stirlingshire, Ayr United and Dumbarton) get a cut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, QXBoy said: OK D.D. I stand corrected. The question then is how the 5% (100,000 pounds, if 2 million pounds is the transfer fee) is split. Do clubs he was loaned to during his time as a Jag (East Stirlingshire, Ayr United and Dumbarton) get a cut? Yes they do, but we will get the bulk of the 5%. Not sure if Hibs also get some for the time he was there before us. Edited June 11, 2023 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, QXBoy said: OK D.D. I stand corrected. The question then is how the 5% (100,000 pounds, if 2 million pounds is the transfer fee) is split. Do clubs he was loaned to during his time as a Jag (East Stirlingshire, Ayr United and Dumbarton) get a cut? Can't VAR sort this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, scotty said: Can't VAR sort this out. Christ no otherwise we would end up owing money from the transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 17 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: Let's hope the transfer fee is the £2M reported then, although anything will be an unplanned for bonus. Nisbet is surely worth at least 20 million! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QXBoy Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 3 hours ago, scotty said: Can't VAR sort this out. Probably requires police intervention! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said: Nisbet is surely worth at least 20 million! £200m when he moves to Real Madrid next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 6 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: The question I have is what do we do with any money we receive from Nisbet's transfer? Do we put it to the playing budget in the thinking that if it helps get another player in or a current one to stay it helps results on the pitch which could help in getting higher up the table (more prize money) and increase crowds. Or do we say it was a bonus so keep the playing budget as agreed and use it to help build up our depleted reserves? Depends what TJF money is designed to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legend Blows Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 🤔 Edited June 13, 2023 by The Legend Blows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legend Blows Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) Is it me or am I the only one on here that thinks we are due nothing from the Nisbet transfer. If solidarity payments are actually a thing why is this the first time I've ever heard of them. Sound like a big crock a made up keech to me. We let the player go years ago (Well Archie did) yet we still get a payment. Utter guff Edited June 13, 2023 by The Legend Blows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 4 hours ago, The Legend Blows said: Is it me or am I the only one on here that thinks we are due nothing from the Nisbet transfer. If solidarity payments are actually a thing why is this the first time I've ever heard of them. Sound like a big crock a made up keech to me. We let the player go years ago (Well Archie did) yet we still get a payment. Utter guff Probably as it is the first time it has affected Thistle, although it was discussed previously when Nisbet turned down a move to Millwall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 4 hours ago, The Legend Blows said: Is it me or am I the only one on here that thinks we are due nothing from the Nisbet transfer. If solidarity payments are actually a thing why is this the first time I've ever heard of them. Sound like a big crock a made up keech to me. We let the player go years ago (Well Archie did) yet we still get a payment. Utter guff Check Article 21 and Annex 5 in the FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players It may be the first time that a former Thistle player has moved for cash to a club in another FA after their 23rd birthday. (Jack Hendrie and Liam Lindsay were under 23 or free transfers when they moved and I can't think of other candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legend Blows Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 I'll no hold ma breath. If it comes to pass then great, otherwise let's get signing part time, free agent journeymen centre halfs on the double, otherwise Milne and McMillan will be busy next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: Check Article 21 and Annex 5 in the FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players It may be the first time that a former Thistle player has moved for cash to a club in another FA after their 23rd birthday. (Jack Hendrie and Liam Lindsay were under 23 or free transfers when they moved and I can't think of other candidates. Jimmy Bone to Celtic from Norwich? 36 minutes ago, The Legend Blows said: I'll no hold ma breath. If it comes to pass then great, otherwise let's get signing part time, free agent journeymen centre halfs on the double, otherwise Milne and McMillan will be busy next season. What's Kevin James doing these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Jimmy Bone to Celtic from Norwich? Think it only came in around 2001, maybe a bit later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Think it only came in around 2001, maybe a bit later 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 Update from the Chairman: https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/update-from-the-board-28th-june-2023/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander livingstone Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 He talks about potential investors,but surely they would to own a share of the club would that be allowed under the way the club is now set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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