Livvy v Jags

[stillresigned]

17 hours ago, Auld Jag said:

Let's hope they give us some early christmas presents tonight.  🎅 

The only ones getting the early Christmas presents were Meadowbank!

[stillresigned]

To be totally honest my considered opinion is that we are seriously tripe and simply incapable of competing in the top half of this league.

I don’t think that we have seriously improved since the time of McCall: if anything we are a side running to stand still.

[Big Wull]

I've said for a few years now.....banigan wouldn't be any where near the team if I was picking it. Why was Turner at right back, poor guy was lost. Doolan too loyal to certain players. In all honesty we should have been 2 up at half time..if Graham had took his chances, and the keeper made a mistake so the less said yhe better about that(I thought he had a good game apart from that)

[Jordanhill Jag]

We got an additional £300K to cover the increased Squad Signings and costs this Season - in “donations”

Our actual Club Football Budget has remained the same for three Seasons

We have budgeted £280K losses finishing 4th

So where is the Money coming from for the large Squad most of whom are on 2-3 year deals next Season  ( and the following Season) ?  

“ taking a punt on promotion” may come back to haunt us 

[eljaggo]

The BBC commentators last night thought that Graham was being considered for the just vacated Scottish Woman managers post.  Given his age, if I was Graham I'd jump at the chance.  Leaves a big hole at Thistle if it happens.

[jlsarmy]

1 hour ago, Big Wull said:

I've said for a few years now.....banigan wouldn't be any where near the team if I was picking it. Why was Turner at right back, poor guy was lost. Doolan too loyal to certain players. In all honesty we should have been 2 up at half time..if Graham had took his chances, and the keeper made a mistake so the less said yhe better about that(I thought he had a good game apart from that)

Absolute nonsense re Stuart Bannigan, over the last 4 or 5 weeks our revival has been partly down to Bannigan’s outstanding form

Agree re Kyle Turner as a full back which he never is 

[ChiThistle]

4 hours ago, stillresigned said:

To be totally honest my considered opinion is that we are seriously tripe and simply incapable of competing in the top half of this league.

I don’t think that we have seriously improved since the time of McCall: if anything we are a side running to stand still.

Not only have we not seriously improved, we haven’t identified or developed any young talent to replace our aging attack.

We may be forced to take a kids vs experience approach next season without having any surefire kids.

[JeanieD]

As regards playing our arguably most talented player as an emergency right back, it perhaps spotlights the fact that we have a very bloated squad where quantity seems to be more valued than quality.

But that is to state the bleedin obvious.

[Lenziejag]

3 minutes ago, JeanieD said:

As regards playing our arguably most talented player as an emergency right back, it perhaps spotlights the fact that we have a very bloated squad where quantity seems to be more valued than quality.

But that is to state the bleedin obvious.

Not sure I am following this. It highlights, along with not being able fill the bench recently that, the number of injuries we have had this season.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

1 hour ago, jlsarmy said:

Absolute nonsense re Stuart Bannigan, over the last 4 or 5 weeks our revival has been partly down to Bannigan’s outstanding form.

Much as I agree with you Bannigan has been doing very well the job where he's usually found wanting. He's been ball winning and directing the team from deep. Just as Turner has filled in well at right back it's not a role that is likely to be sustainable. Bit of papering over the cracks re the long term

Edited December 14, 2024 by lady-isobel-barnett

[JeanieD]

47 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:

Not sure I am following this. It highlights, along with not being able fill the bench recently that, the number of injuries we have had this season.

So all the issues are down to injuries and have nothing to do with the quality of the cast of thousands - fair enough.

[jagfox]

5 hours ago, stillresigned said:

simply incapable of competing in the top half of this league.

That's evidently plain wrong.

[Auld Jag]

6 hours ago, stillresigned said:

The only ones getting the early Christmas presents were Meadowbank!

Sadly,yes.

[Auld Jag]

Imo a Falkirk win today would have been the best outcome for us, to keep Ayr 2 points ahead, with us having a game in hand. But what that result today proves is just how unpredictable the league is. The Ayr side that we played against last week did not look like scoring 5 goals in 1 game and yes i know that Falkirk went down to 10 early on. Will be interesting to see how Falkirk react in the coming weeks.

As i was not at the game last night i will not say a lot about it. But from what i seen watching on tv, everybody at Thistle from the management team and every player will need to vastly improve if we are to stay in the top 4. We had shown before last night we can go on a good unbeaten run, we need to do that again starting next week.

[Third Lanark]

2 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

Absolute nonsense re Stuart Bannigan, over the last 4 or 5 weeks our revival has been partly down to Bannigan’s outstanding form

Agree re Kyle Turner as a full back which he never is 

Well where has Bannigan been the last year and a half- yea last 4 or 5 games before last night he has been great(like everyone else was awful last night) but the last year and a half he’s been injured or been distinctly average.

Jyst a coincidence his improved form comes towards when he is out of contract 

[Barney Rubble]

Ultimately, those weren't a bad set of results for us this weekend (apart from our own one obviously). 

Anything that can pull Falkirk back into the mix is to be welcomed. There's still half the fixtures to go remember.........

[Barney Rubble]

5 hours ago, Big Wull said:

I've said for a few years now.....banigan wouldn't be any where near the team if I was picking it. Why was Turner at right back, poor guy was lost. Doolan too loyal to certain players. In all honesty we should have been 2 up at half time..if Graham had took his chances, and the keeper made a mistake so the less said yhe better about that(I thought he had a good game apart from that)

Sorry Big Wull, cannot agree. No way on earth did we merit even being level at half time.

Myles made a mistake which got punished, that happens to every keeper -even at the top level - a couple of times a season. Neither of BBG's chances were stick-ons whatever you may feel. The television pictures show that on both occasions he was reacting instinctively rather than having time to compose himself.

Them were the breaks on the night. On another night.................

[Lenziejag]

1 hour ago, JeanieD said:

So all the issues are down to injuries and have nothing to do with the quality of the cast of thousands - fair enough.

Turner is playing at right back because both Nilsson and Megwa are injured. Mackenzie, also, who has filled in there is injured as is Muirhead who probably could have filled in there too. 

[Barney Rubble]

5 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

We got an additional £300K to cover the increased Squad Signings and costs this Season - in “donations”

Our actual Club Football Budget has remained the same for three Seasons

We have budgeted £280K losses finishing 4th

So where is the Money coming from for the large Squad most of whom are on 2-3 year deals next Season  ( and the following Season) ?  

“ taking a punt on promotion” may come back to haunt us 

What exactly does this have to do with the match thread Livvy v Jags JJ?

Edited December 14, 2024 by Barney Rubble

[Auld Jag]

I know Livingston have had some problems behind the scenes that has just been settled in court and also lost a number of players from last season, but i am surprised they do not seem to have been amongst the favourites to go up. They have the parachute payment and the solidarity payment of £900k for premier league teams not in Europe last season.

[dl1971]

Always makes me laugh when there is an attempted pile on for Bannigan, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a team game. Also the lack of basic football acumen is pretty startling. How about we look at a few others who did not cover themselves in glory last night....ashcroft and oreilly gave the ball away countless times with I'll judged punts. Turner was anonymous, even though he is played out of position, I expect better. Crawford...well. He barely touched the ball. Unlike bannigan he doesn't seem to show for the ball. Fitzpatrick had a shocker ( again ). I'd argue a waste of a jersey when it gets physical. Presumably Chalmers was injured and was subbed for that reason. Sayers ill excuse but he looked out his depth. Ablade doesn't look like he has goals in him. Graham and Robinson weren't terrible. The only minor plus for me was that Stevie Lawless got some minutes. Finally mcbeth showed again he not the answer in midfield. Right now I agree the midfield is bang average, but the least of our worries is Bannigan. FTR when Turner has played in midfield he's not excelled to date. 

[dl1971]

1 hour ago, Third Lanark said:

Well where has Bannigan been the last year and a half- yea last 4 or 5 games before last night he has been great(like everyone else was awful last night) but the last year and a half he’s been injured or been distinctly average.

Jyst a coincidence his improved form comes towards when he is out of contract 

Aye so it is. Imagine having the cheek to be injured. Like Robinson, Lawless, Milne have never missed a game....oh and add in Dan O'Reilly and Ashcroft. To say he only is improving because of a potential contract is in the Bobby Houston book of stupid comments. 

[Third Lanark]

1 minute ago, dl1971 said:

Aye so it is. Imagine having the cheek to be injured. Like Robinson, Lawless, Milne have never missed a game....oh and add in Dan O'Reilly and Ashcroft. To say he only is improving because of a potential contract is in the Bobby Houston book of stupid comments. 

Bannigan had more than 2 seasons out with injuries.  The club has more then backed him.  He would have been away first chance he got to Aberdeen which is fair enough.  But pretty much every season since he has spent much of it being injured.

In the last year and a half he has had about 5 or 6 decent games. The others have contributed far more.  It’s because of the likes of you he is our most overrated player.

As for the pile on for Bannigan - what a joke, you know fine well rightly or wrongly Fitzpatrick is getting flack far more than Bannigan and even Doolan.

[dl1971]

5 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

Bannigan had more than 2 seasons out with injuries.  The club has more then backed him.  He would have been away first chance he got to Aberdeen which is fair enough.  But pretty much every season since he has spent much of it being injured.

In the last year and a half he has had about 5 or 6 decent games. The others have contributed far more.  It’s because of the likes of you he is our most overrated player.

As for the pile on for Bannigan - what a joke, you know fine well rightly or wrongly Fitzpatrick is getting flack far more than Bannigan and even Doolan.

Your losing the plot. Just because some posters don't agree with your critique of Bannigan, he is overrated? The fact you have went into ancient history about his injury 10 years ago, simply suggests you have a long term grudge against him, while ignoring the rest of the team who came up short last night ( and other games this season ). For the record who has contributed far more this season? Remember not to overrate....

[Third Lanark]

2 minutes ago, dl1971 said:

Your losing the plot. Just because some posters don't agree with your critique of Bannigan, he is overrated? The fact you have went into ancient history about his injury 10 years ago, simply suggests you have a long term grudge against him, while ignoring the rest of the team who came up short last night ( and other games this season ). For the record who has contributed far more this season? Remember not to overrate....

Your the one harping on.  I’ve criticised plenty of the players this season.  The team and management as a whole this season have for the most part been shocking.

Injury was 10 years ago and has never fully recovered- my point being he underservedly continually gets new contracts.