Third Lanark Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Does anyone know if Harry Grainger and John Kelly are still with the club?!they seemed to be quite highly regarded as ones for the future back then but don’t know if they are with the club at all now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, jags on tour said: I take it the 3 mentioned(Barton,Storey, Keown) didn’t have the GTF clause in their contract? Surely they could have said to Archie they don’t want to come back and have their contracts cancelled by mutual consent which would suit both parties. Ever just decided you're going to jack in a job that's paying very well with no guarantee of what you'll get paid at your next job or where in the country (or even world) it will be? No doubt these 3 are going to be earning way more than the average guy in his mid 20s but they're unlikely to be at the income level where they get to 35 and can retire for good so if I was in their shoes I'd be turning up every day until a deal was agreed elsewhere rather than voluntarily putting myself on the dole. I might be wrong but I don't think Barton or Keown have featured in any of the "closed" door games yet. Maybe the plan is to keep Storey and get rid of the other two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ancipital said: Ever just decided you're going to jack in a job that's paying very well with no guarantee of what you'll get paid at your next job or where in the country (or even world) it will be? No doubt these 3 are going to be earning way more than the average guy in his mid 20s but they're unlikely to be at the income level where they get to 35 and can retire for good so if I was in their shoes I'd be turning up every day until a deal was agreed elsewhere rather than voluntarily putting myself on the dole. I might be wrong but I don't think Barton or Keown have featured in any of the "closed" door games yet. Maybe the plan is to keep Storey and get rid of the other two? It’s a bit different with footballers, unless they are truly shecht then they will always get another chance, see Ryan Edwards and Callum Booth. I don’t see any of the 3 hanging about for the money. Hopefully they have the baws to think they owe us something and get us back up, or at least give us a fcuking shift for one extra season. If not then they will be targeted by the fans and no doubt frozen out by Archie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 44 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Does anyone know if Harry Grainger and John Kelly are still with the club?!they seemed to be quite highly regarded as ones for the future back then but don’t know if they are with the club at all now Granger was released. Kelly could still be on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Garscube Road End said: If we are looking c at can under 20 loan from Motherwell it shows that our budget is tighter than we thought. I Don't think Archie has a lot to work with this season. Again I think that any Thistle fan expects us go challenge for the title needs to take a reality check. This is a season for consolidation. We signed Steven Lawless and Stephen Craigen from Motherwell as youth players. But nae bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, jags on tour said: It’s a bit different with footballers, unless they are truly shecht then they will always get another chance, see Ryan Edwards and Callum Booth. I don’t see any of the 3 hanging about for the money. Hopefully they have the baws to think they owe us something and get us back up, or at least give us a fcuking shift for one extra season. If not then they will be targeted by the fans and no doubt frozen out by Archie! I don't think there's any significant different being a footballer. A contract's a contract. Anyway I don't see any of the three not giving us the same effort they put in last season. I realise in the case of Barton even that prospect won't please many. I'm different to the point that if we had to keep one of the three I'd plump for Barton. I do tho' believe it's far from ideal having players in the squad under these circumstances. I normally like openness but can't really see much benefit deriving from the Club telling us these three were available for immediate transfer. The fact that was over a month ago and not one has moved on kinda makes a mockery of the "immediate" bit. Should just have put them in the contracted list and if we can't move them on leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 7 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Granger was released. Kelly could still be on the books. Thanks LIB that’s disappointing about Grainger remember at the time he had turned down Celtic to be with Thistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 I've had a look at the club's statements on the playing staff. The three were put on the list as being available for immediate transfer and that was it. They are still Partick Thistle players although I see the club isn't looking for kit sponsorship for them. Almost all the other "facts" about their status seems to have come from social media and can be put down to fans making things up. These are professional footballers and there's no reason to believe that if they are still with us at the start of the season they will not play to the best of their ability. Yes their wages may stop us bring ing in an extra player but none of us outside the staff of PTFC really know how many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Went up to Garscube yesterday and although it was only pre season and probably more to do with fitness wasn't overly impressed , the biggest plus point was Stuart Bannigan , he was and still is by a country mile our best player and hopefully we can get him back to the level we know he can play at. Watching some of the youngsters coming on yesterday , they are nowhere near ready to play in the first team , the players we released Neil McLaughlin and Mark Lamont would have been nearer the first team than any of those who came on yesterday , totally bizarre decision to release them at that stage in their development . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Went up to Garscube yesterday and although it was only pre season and probably more to do with fitness wasn't overly impressed , the biggest plus point was Stuart Bannigan , he was and still is by a country mile our best player and hopefully we can get him back to the level we know he can play at. Watching some of the youngsters coming on yesterday , they are nowhere near ready to play in the first team , the players we released Neil McLaughlin and Mark Lamont would have been nearer the first team than any of those who came on yesterday , totally bizarre decision to release them at that stage in their development . Comments like this always amuse me. It’s Archie and the coaches that see these guys day in and day out in training, and who most importantly (from what I hear re: McLaughlin and Lamont) know what their attitudes are like. I don’t think there’s anything bizarre about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Agree with jsarmy a fit bannigan will be like a new signing if he can get back to his best re lamont i thought he would have got his chance this season i dont think we have anything coming through thats better and for mclaughlin 50 plus goals in two seasons i would defintley have given him a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 41 minutes ago, KemoAvdiu said: Comments like this always amuse me. It’s Archie and the coaches that see these guys day in and day out in training, and who most importantly (from what I hear re: McLaughlin and Lamont) know what their attitudes are like. I don’t think there’s anything bizarre about it. Yes that makes sense , let's go with seasoned pros on good money like Osman , Dumbaye , Barton etc whose attitudes were questionable throughout the season and got the club relegated , I would rather try and educate young players on the demands it takes to be a professional player . I take it you've got some insider information on Neil McLaughlin and Mark Lamont attitudes or is it just hearsay ? If a young player has ability then you've got something to work with and you can educate them on the demands of being a professional football player , if the ability isn't there it's pointless . From what I saw yesterday there is not a lot coming through that would be anywhere near the first team squad and from what I've seen of McLaughlin and Lamont they were a lot nearer the first team in terms of ability . That's what makes the decision bizarre to release them when there isn't a conveyor belt of talent there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfist Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Apparently trying to get centre half on loan from Bolton- Adam Mitchell. Presume this means some confidence in offloading Barton/keown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, ironfist said: Apparently trying to get centre half on loan from Bolton- Adam Mitchell. Presume this means some confidence in offloading Barton/keown A Croatian born Kiwi. 2 nations that I don’t think we’ve had players from before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 2 hours ago, ironfist said: Apparently trying to get centre half on loan from Bolton- Adam Mitchell. Presume this means some confidence in offloading Barton/keown Or it's a done deal provided we can offload Keown. Barton may not be the stumbling block on this occasion. It's just possible that we go with four centrebacks tho' I think we'd be looking for one of the centrebacks to be able to cover right back (or I suppose vice versa). Guess we require another two or three defenders to join Elliott, O'Ware, McGinty and Penrice. I'm omitting Duncanson for now at least and assuming Keown moves on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Striker playing as a trialist was Louis Rowe, a 19 year old Barnsley attacker. Only 19 years old, but a big-boy. Looks strong. Could be one for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 On 30/06/2018 at 3:52 PM, Garscube Road End said: If we are looking c at can under 20 loan from Motherwell it shows that our budget is tighter than we thought. I Don't think Archie has a lot to work with this season. Again I think that any Thistle fan expects us go challenge for the title needs to take a reality check. This is a season for consolidation. From a Motherwell fan on P&B “It makes sense. He's a Northern Ireland u21 cap and truthfully he's far better than u20s/dev football. We signed him from Sheffield United with a view to fast-tracking him into the first team I think. He was around the fringes of the first XI towards the end of the 16/17 season but picked up an injury last season and just totally dropped off the radar for pretty much the full season. He's energetic and quite Cadden-esque but like Ross MacLean (who we've got out on loan to Morton) there are loads of options ahead of him in the first team and right now he needs games. Fwiw: we offered him a new deal at the start of the summer so it's not like he's someone we're just trying to offload.” Doesn’t sound like a nightmare signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 48 minutes ago, ClydebankJag said: From a Motherwell fan on P&B “It makes sense. He's a Northern Ireland u21 cap and truthfully he's far better than u20s/dev football. We signed him from Sheffield United with a view to fast-tracking him into the first team I think. He was around the fringes of the first XI towards the end of the 16/17 season but picked up an injury last season and just totally dropped off the radar for pretty much the full season. He's energetic and quite Cadden-esque but like Ross MacLean (who we've got out on loan to Morton) there are loads of options ahead of him in the first team and right now he needs games. Fwiw: we offered him a new deal at the start of the summer so it's not like he's someone we're just trying to offload.” Doesn’t sound like a nightmare signing. And where did I say he was a nightmare signing? Go back and read my post again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Another right back would be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Another right back would be a good idea. Is Elliott injured? I don't think I have seen his name mentioned by those who have attended the bounce games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 51 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: Is Elliott injured? I don't think I have seen his name mentioned by those who have attended the bounce games. Not as far as I am aware. I'd rather there was a natural right back on the books though. And that's nothing against Christie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 10 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Yes that makes sense , let's go with seasoned pros on good money like Osman , Dumbaye , Barton etc whose attitudes were questionable throughout the season and got the club relegated , I would rather try and educate young players on the demands it takes to be a professional player . I take it you've got some insider information on Neil McLaughlin and Mark Lamont attitudes or is it just hearsay ? If a young player has ability then you've got something to work with and you can educate them on the demands of being a professional football player , if the ability isn't there it's pointless . From what I saw yesterday there is not a lot coming through that would be anywhere near the first team squad and from what I've seen of McLaughlin and Lamont they were a lot nearer the first team in terms of ability . That's what makes the decision bizarre to release them when there isn't a conveyor belt of talent there. Based on a bounce match you’re writing off our current youth players, and based on (at most) a couple of glimpses of Lamont and McLaughlin (neither of whom set the heather alight in League Two on loan) you are calling the management’s decisions about them - bearing in mind they saw them every single day in training - ‘bizarre’. Righto. And none one of the three players you’ve mentioned will be playing for us this season so it’s a bit of a moot point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Not as far as I am aware. I'd rather there was a natural right back on the books though. And that's nothing against Christie. I genuinely believe Christie to now be a natural (premiership quality) right back. The fact he arrived as a striker does not matter to me- he just took longer than many to find his true position. I think his history counts against him. I honestly think he would be much better appreciated if we had signed him as a RB 4 or 5 seasons ago. Edited July 1, 2018 by Duke Gekantawa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dan Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: I genuinely believe Christie to now be a natural (premiership quality) right back. The fact he arrived as a striker does not matter to me- he just took longer than many to find his true position He was not stripped for the bounce game on Saturday but he was there. He walked back to the changing room chatting to a couple of other guys. Seemed pretty upbeat with no obvious sign of injury. I probably should have asked him why he was not playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Big Christie is such a natural athlete he hardly needs a pre season. Said in jest but anyone who saw his return from serious injury last season will recognise that's backed up with an element of truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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