gianlucatoni Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Recovery of documents order granted in our favour - documents are relevant to PTFC/Hearts case and must be confidentially disclosed to the arbitration panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 I think that it's a decent result. Score draw away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 PTFC & Hearts to pay for 50% of SPFL legal costs... what a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, gianlucatoni said: PTFC & Hearts to pay for 50% of SPFL legal costs... what a joke Nonsense. I reckon the judge was on our side, but 'bound' by law. Ain't over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 8:24 PM, Dick Dastardly said: 1 minute ago, gianlucatoni said: PTFC & Hearts to pay for 50% of SPFL legal costs... what a joke I thought someone was paying our legal fees though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 they are but that's the ruling of the judge he said that we had no costs bound to the DU and others case as it was 1-1 hiwever the SPFL only really argued on putting the case to arbitration. & they substantially win that case - I think he mentioned that as the arbitration articles weren't well written or clearly defined, then it let's us off paying full cost of SPFL and so 50% was deemed fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: Given the timescale given for the arbitration, there's absolutely no way this ends up with Hearts in the Premier League next season (and by extension Thistle in the Championship) unless the clubs have a change of heart and decide to rip-up the league structure and do some restructuring. We are in the realms of token solidarity payments to make the lawyers from all sides go away now, I suspect. The Fulham case always looked more compelling than the St Johnstone case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, gianlucatoni said: PTFC & Hearts to pay for 50% of SPFL legal costs... what a joke The presumption is that costs follow success. We have, erm, pretty much failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: I think that it's a decent result. Score draw away from home. Let's be clear, this is pretty much us 4-1 down with 2 minutes to go and all players have just been banned from using their legs for the remainder of the game. Whether or not crab football is a farce, we've basically lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Woodstock Jag said: The presumption is that costs follow success. We have, erm, pretty much failed. Not really - costs only awarded as SPFL 'offered' us arbitration before Court. 3 motions. 1. To throw it out - dismissed. 1-0 Thistle 2. Arbitration - judge reluctantly agreed, stated it can go back to Court if arbitration fails. 1-1 3. Release the documents - judge agreed. 2-1 Thistle. Not saying it's the result we wanted, but Court door is open & the release of the documents could be interesting. LONG way to go yet I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: Let's be clear, this is pretty much us 4-1 down with 2 minutes to go and all players have just been banned from using their legs for the remainder of the game. Whether or not crab football is a farce, we've basically lost. Haha! Crab football! Remember it well! Happy days. ETA Is Crab Football an option for next season? Edited July 3, 2020 by Gary Peebles Tackle Add on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Not really - costs only awarded as SPFL 'offered' us arbitration before Court. 3 motions. 1. To throw it out - dismissed. 1-0 Thistle 2. Arbitration - judge reluctantly agreed, stated it can go back to Court if arbitration fails. 1-1 3. Release the documents - judge agreed. 2-1 Thistle. Not saying it's the result we wanted, but Court door is open & the release of the documents could be interesting. LONG way to go yet I think. This is like saying we won on corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Woodstock Jag said: This is like saying we won on corners. Haha! The ol' Alex Totten approach. I think the documents is a good win. Arbitration, who knows. Wasn't thrown out though and judge certainly seemed to agree that it's a shambles of an organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Haha! Crab football! Remember it well! Happy days. ETA Is Crab Football an option for next season? If the Club goes into its shell, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Not really - costs only awarded as SPFL 'offered' us arbitration before Court. 3 motions. 1. To throw it out - dismissed. 1-0 Thistle 2. Arbitration - judge reluctantly agreed, stated it can go back to Court if arbitration fails. 1-1 3. Release the documents - judge agreed. 2-1 Thistle. Not saying it's the result we wanted, but Court door is open & the release of the documents could be interesting. LONG way to go yet I think. Was there not an injury time equaliser, namely the awarding of 50% of SPFL's costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Haha! Crab football! Remember it well! Happy days. ETA Is Crab Football an option for next season? There's been plenty crabbit football at Firhill for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Haha! The ol' Alex Totten approach. I think the documents is a good win. Arbitration, who knows. Wasn't thrown out though and judge certainly seemed to agree that it's a shambles of an organisation. I always thought arbitration was where we should go anyway Legal case is all or nothing Arbitration, different process, more of a range of outcomes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, jaf said: I always thought arbitration was where we should go anyway Legal case is all or nothing Arbitration, different process, more of a range of outcomes I think arbitration at least plausibly could lead to some sort of ex gratia solidarity payment from the SPFL to recognise the unfairness, but I suspect even that's out the window now that we've got enough lawyers involved that legal bills are racking up on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, jaf said: Was there not an injury time equaliser, namely the awarding of 50% of SPFL's costs? not sure that was a full equaliser. He could have awarded full costs. I think we live to fight another day. It may not be the win that we wanted, but it is certainly not the waste of time that some were predicting. The SPFL didn't come out of it smelling of roses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifexile Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Haha! Crab football! Remember it well! Happy days. ETA Is Crab Football an option for next season? Did someone say Seaside League next season. Bound to get crabs there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael m Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: I think arbitration at least plausibly could lead to some sort of ex gratia solidarity payment from the SPFL to recognise the unfairness, but I suspect even that's out the window now that we've got enough lawyers involved that legal bills are racking up on both sides. Surely an independent panel will not rule against any compensation if that’s what they deem to be correct solely because of the money spent on lawyers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, jaf said: Was there not an injury time equaliser, namely the awarding of 50% of SPFL's costs? I have been too busy with other things to tune into the hearing. Been relying on news and this website for information and opinion. Did Lord Clark actually rule that this case can return to court should Arbitration fail! This seens strange to me because Arbitration by its very nature cannot fail! The panel will hear evidence in addition to written submissions and then make a decision. Whether we like the decision or not is immaterial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Haha! Crab football! Remember it well! Happy days. ETA Is Crab Football an option for next season? Crap football is virtually guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, exiledjag said: I have been too busy with other things to tune into the hearing. Been relying on news and this website for information and opinion. Did Lord Clark actually rule that this case can return to court should Arbitration fail! This seens strange to me because Arbitration by its very nature cannot fail! The panel will hear evidence in addition to written submissions and then make a decision. Whether we like the decision or not is immaterial! He did say there could be provision for it to return to the CofS if they drag their heels on setting it up - he mentioned 1st of August as a date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I think we live to fight another day. It may not be the win that we wanted, but it is certainly not the waste of time that some were predicting. The SPFL didn't come out of it smelling of roses. That would have taken some make-over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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