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1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:

The theory maybe that risk assessments are carried out by a competent person, but how is that determined ? Also, the competent person is usually part of the management team, so not exactly independent. 
Small businesses can’t afford a dedicated safety representative. What do they do ?

Small businesses don’t need a full time safety rep, they do though need (legally) someone who is responsible for health and safety and is able to carry out risk assessments, COSHH etc. Lots of places offer good cheap (even free with TUC) training, or they can use a consultant when needed

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3 hours ago, Auld Jag said:

I remember Ian McCall saying before we played Hearts at Tynecastle, with the protocol we had at Firhill we could get about 1000 fans in safely.

He also said on another occasion 'That thistle would survive to the end of the season  jf things stayed as they are.'

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25 minutes ago, policemans whistle said:

He also said on another occasion 'That thistle would survive to the end of the season  jf things stayed as they are.'

Same interview. He said we would be ok without any crowds in. Then went on to say about us being ok for 1000.

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3 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Subtract the likely number of season ticket holders who'll attend and that'll leave the money at the gate. Factor in stewarding costs plus other costs not associated with closed door games (cleaning, signage, ticket sales etc). If turnover exceeds these costs (or even equates roughly with it) the we'd have a goer. I doubt very much if that would be the case.

The Club could I suppose backtrack on the assurance that ALL ST holders get first dibs and ballot off a reduced allocation. You could argue that that would be more favourable to no attendance.   

During the coverage of the French open today they were talking about the 1000 attendance they have. Normally 20,000 was the limit, but when the tournament was rearranged from May to Sept/Oct they thought they would get 11,500, it was then changed to 5,500 and a few days before it started it was changed to 1,000 because of new measures by the French government. They did say the French tennis federation thought about playing behind closed doors, but decided they wanted some 'real atmosphere'. I have heard it said that some football players are finding it hard to motivate themselves without fans. 

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34 minutes ago, Auld Jag said:

I have heard it said that some football players are finding it hard to motivate themselves without fans. 

there's been a fair few dodgy scorelines down south - quite a few 5-2 games, then a  6-1 and 7-2 today - is that down to lack of crowd getting on the players backs or just a lack of motivation in an empty ground?

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14 minutes ago, gianlucatoni said:

there's been a fair few dodgy scorelines down south - quite a few 5-2 games, then a  6-1 and 7-2 today - is that down to lack of crowd getting on the players backs or just a lack of motivation in an empty ground?

I think one area where there is definitely an effect is in playing the ball out from the back. This has both negative and positive effects, and strangely enough both effects lead to more goals. 

If the team playing out gets it wrong, of course they lose the ball, and the other team run in and score.

However, if they get it right, the other team are drawn forward into a high press. Slick, accurate (and brave) passing gets round the high press, and suddenly fast attackers are running hard at a retreating and undermanned defence, and have a good chance of scoring.

In either case, if the defending team had instead played a punt up the park leading to headed ping pong in a crowded midfield, there is less chance of a goal at either end. 

The manager will have instructed his team to be brave and play out from the back, and that no blame will attach if on occasion a goal is lost as a result. The potential gains are much greater. 

Fans in the stadium will bear down on their own team if they concede (or nearly concede) a soft goal while attempting to play out. Players will feel the fan pressure, ignore the managerial instructions, and resort to the safety first punt.

The result, less goals with fans in the stadium, and more goals with fans kept out.

This conclusion is based on personal and partial empirical observation, deduction, speculation and guesswork, and has no analytical or statistical basis whatsoever. 

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Agree very much with above post. I'm assuming there are more goals being scored behind closed doors. Certainly appears to be the case. Home advantage will go for little (except where you have plastic pitches). The visiting team less likely to play so defensively and thus a more open game.

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I agree with PTD and LIB, but in League 1 many of our opponents will have a packed defence and midfield.  We will be expected to break this down, and here I agree with PTD that skilful and quick passing can get results. The difference is that conceding a goal will result in an even more packed defence.

Having said that,  plastic pitches make good passing more likely, and a quick passing game can overcome defences here.  Good corners and free kicks are essential, as is defending such set plays.  Our downfall last year.

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How often over the past 3 years have we passed the ball around with no end product. All very good this passing around, but if you don't atleast have a go at putting the ball in the net, what is the point ? I want to see us having a go and players not playing with fear of being the one to make the mistake.

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Since we were relegated from the premier league we've struggled with the mantle of being the big club. At home in particular we have teams turning up to defend their 18 yard box which we struggle to breakdown and then they hit us on the break. Now we are in league 1 we will probably be seen as the big club and the onus will be even on greater on us to breakdown packed defences. This will mean we will have a lot of possession so we need to find a way of using that to better effect and also of defending breaks better.

There has been a tendancy over the last few years since Barca did it under Guardiola to see the only way of playing passing football to be about passing it about your 18 yard box to drag the opposition out and stretch the game.  It puts a lot of onus on the central defenders being ball players and the fullbacks being the main source of attacking threat.Doing that in league 1 is asking for problems.

I would rather see us start play higher up the pitch and concentrate on shorter faster passes in the oppositions half. It requires intelligent and constant off the ball running by forwards willing to run channels and midfielders willing to go beyond the strikers. It also means defenders are there to get the ball into midfield asap. This looked like the system McCall was playing at Ayr.

On the plus side I think our midfield and forward line look capable of playing this way. Brownline, Foster are defenders first and foremost so should work in that style. There's a question mark over Penrice as his defensive positioning isn't as strong as you would like but the real mismatch is O'Ware.  O'Ware wants time on the ball and to pick out a pass which is good when it works but he's not the quickest on the turn and capable of lapses in concentration. If you add to that he's playing out of position it does feel like the weak point.

The unknown in this is the standard of the other teams. We have pretty much got a sqaud of championship players playing in league 1. With the exception of Falkirk the standard of the rest should be lower so how much they can expose O'Ware and Penrice or how good they are at defending against Rudden, Graham, Cardle, Lyons etc will decide if we can or can't carry the problems in our team. 

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1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said:

How often over the past 3 years have we passed the ball around with no end product. All very good this passing around, but if you don't atleast have a go at putting the ball in the net, what is the point ? I want to see us having a go and players not playing with fear of being the one to make the mistake.

Not necessarily meaning you, DD, but a lot of fans have been critical of Thistle for "passing the ball around" when they really mean passing the ball around slowly and in a delayed manner. It's the hesitancy and slow thinking, plus a general lack of pace, that's come into our play over the last few seasons that's been harmful. Ironically when not caught on the ball that usually leads to the inevitable punt up the park. Put another way this lack of joiny up play negates midfield.

Our opponents once they're in the lead (or content with a draw) are happy to cede possession to us because we're so deliberate on the ball. If we moved the ball about at pace I doubt they'd be just so fond of that tactic.

Oh, and your last sentence is spot on. Maybe down to a lack of leadership in defence and/or midfield?

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The outburst by SFA and SPFL officials on Saturday is more recognisably political, when you learn that the football authorities met with the leader of the Scottish Tories (and football referee) a day ot two before.

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Reports in many of the Scottish papers that at the meeting today between the  JRG  and the SG, a "substantial" sum of money will be given to clubs.  Also a "roadmap" agreed for the return of fans to stadiums, with 6 months being seen as the earliest return date.

The SFA and SPFL are issuing statements tonight on what was agreed with the SG.

Lets hope that the SPL don't hog the cash!

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3 hours ago, scotty said:

The outburst by SFA and SPFL officials on Saturday is more recognisably political, when you learn that the football authorities met with the leader of the Scottish Tories (and football referee) a day ot two before.

Is it not a conflict of interest when a football official has a zoom call with 24 of the Clubs that he is likely to be the referee/assistant referee of at some point of the season?

It could be seen as applying pressure to the Clubs.

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2 hours ago, East Kent Jag II said:

Reports in many of the Scottish papers that at the meeting today between the  JRG  and the SG, a "substantial" sum of money will be given to clubs.  Also a "roadmap" agreed for the return of fans to stadiums, with 6 months being seen as the earliest return date.

The SFA and SPFL are issuing statements tonight on what was agreed with the SG.

Lets hope that the SPL don't hog the cash!

Think there is a bigger announcement tomorrow from ScotGovt

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1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:

Think there is a bigger announcement tomorrow from ScotGovt

Yeah you’re right , think Hospitality is getting shut again for 2 weeks, once again without any financial help from our SG .

Couldn’t make it up 

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4 hours ago, scotty said:

The outburst by SFA and SPFL officials on Saturday is more recognisably political, when you learn that the football authorities met with the leader of the Scottish Tories (and football referee) a day ot two before.

The Clubs at our level  shouldn’t have been pressurised into deciding whether they should or shouldn’t play this season until Doncaster and Co had met the SG to find out their plans to get fans into stadiums at some point and the timeline for this .

In terms of getting financial help from the authorities that should have also been on the table , no idea why none of our Club Chairmen don’t stand up to the bullying tactics of Doncaster and Co .

 

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8 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

Yeah you’re right , think Hospitality is getting shut again for 2 weeks, once again without any financial help from our SG .

Couldn’t make it up 

It may be more than Hospitality

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36 minutes ago, Big Dan said:

Source?

A few Journo’s on Twitter. The story ran today apparently came from a reliable source and since then the 2 week lockdown has been watered down to whatever is launched tomorrow. It was meant to be launched today, hence exam status pushed out to tomorrow, but now both are tomorrow 

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Now that the chancellor has re-started the furlough scheme for industries that are forced to close do you think the SPFL and SFA will be asking the Scottish Government to stop football in Scotland?

Surely has to be a more financially attractive option for clubs than playing without crowds which now looks really unlikely until at least the New Year

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