Penalty Kicks Thread

[robphil]

1 hour ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Actually think that could've been the 62-63 season. Not meaning to be pernickety. It's just the first penalty I can mind seeing live was Eric Caldow's v England (Hampden '62). Taking a penalty with over 130000 watching must be some experience.

i reckon you are right, l-i-b; rewinding the old memory I seem to recall dundee were reigning champions rather than champions-elect.  could it also have been the afternoon of george niven's debut in a startlingly green goalies' jumper or am i hallucinating?

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Just now, robphil said:

i reckon you are right, l-i-b; rewinding the old memory I seem to recall dundee were reigning champions rather than champions-elect.  could it also have been the afternoon of george niven's debut in a startlingly green goalies' jumper or am i hallucinating?

Niven made his debut the season Dundee won the league (61-62). We won 3-0,  Duffy got two (Smith or Hainey the other).  Sandy's penalty winner methinks against Dundee (62-63). 

[a f kincaid]

3 minutes ago, robphil said:

i reckon you are right, l-i-b; rewinding the old memory I seem to recall dundee were reigning champions rather than champions-elect.  could it also have been the afternoon of george niven's debut in a startlingly green goalies' jumper or am i hallucinating?

Not his debut Robphil.  10 November 1962.  1-0.  Brown's penalty was hotly disputed and went in off the underside of the bar.

NIVEN     HOGAN     BROWN     McPARLAND     HARVEY    CUNNINGHAM    COWAN    WHITELAW     HAINEY   DUFFY    SMITH

No specific info about  Niven in this match but in general my memory is that unless there was a colour clash, he always wore a green top and usually had his sleeves rolled up.
 

 

[robphil]

1 minute ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Niven made his debut the season Dundee won the league (61-62). We won 3-0,  Duffy got two (Smith or Hainey the other).  Sandy's penalty winner methinks against Dundee (62-63). 

as maurice chevalier put it: 'Ah, yes, i remember it well...' 'Twas a great time to be a youngster clicking through the  firhill turnstiles.

[robphil]

Just now, a f kincaid said:

Not his debut Robphil.  10 November 1962.  1-0.  Brown's penalty was hotly disputed and went in off the underside of the bar.

NIVEN     HOGAN     BROWN     McPARLAND     HARVEY    CUNNINGHAM    COWAN    WHITELAW     HAINEY   DUFFY    SMITH

No specific info about  Niven in this match but in general my memory is that unless there was a colour clash, he always wore a green top and usually had his sleeves rolled up.
 

 

many thanks, af; aye, what a team that was...

[sandbank boy]

6 minutes ago, robphil said:

many thanks, af; aye, what a team that was...

Aye,  a right team indeed.

McParland at right half and then he’d be on the left wing the following game.

[PTFC1942]

The best penalty kick and free kick taker Thistle ever had!!!!

http://www.thethistlearchive.net/jimmy-davidson

[East Kent Jag II]

1 hour ago, PTFC1942 said:

The best penalty kick and free kick taker Thistle ever had!!!!

http://www.thethistlearchive.net/jimmy-davidson

Jimmy was before my time at Firhill, PTFC1942.  In the "Partick Thistle Legends" book, he is described as a free kick specialist, and a tribute said "As an attacking half-back he has few equals  and few can put more venom and direction into a  free kick."

It's well known that after his playing career finished, he returned to Firhill as a groundsman for about 15 years, but less well known is that as a 14 year old in 1939, Jimmy was a "Bevin Boy" down the pits at the start of World War Two.  I think his first senior outing was in 1945, where the Jags had a clash of fixtures.  The first team went to Germany to play a game against an Army 11, and Jimmy got his debut at the same time in Inverness, against a Clach side.  He never looked back, although he took a couple of years to become firmly established in the first team.

Edited December 14, 2020 by East Kent Jag II
Addition of "he took a couple of years . ..."

[sandbank boy]

54 minutes ago, East Kent Jag II said:

Jimmy was before my time at Firhill, PTFC1942.  In the "Partick Thistle Legends" book, he is described as a free kick specialist, and a tribute said "As an attacking half-back he has few equals  and few can put more venom and direction into a  free kick."

It's well known that after his playing career finished, he returned to Firhill as a groundsman for about 15 years, but less well known is that as a 14 year old in 1939, Jimmy was a "Bevin Boy" down the pits at the start of World War Two.  I think his first senior outing was in 1945, where the Jags had a clash of fixtures.  The first team went to Germany to play a game against an Army 11, and Jimmy got his debut at the same time in Inverness, against a Clach side.  He never looked back, although he took a couple of years to become firmly established in the first team.

My dad used too know Jimmy Davidson and was Dad’s favourite.

When Jimmy was groundsman, my dad couldn’t get to the game  and as he didn’t want to disappoint me ( and make sure  I was looked after), I arrived at Firhill on my own, into the main entrance and asked Molly for Mr Davidson. JD duly arrived.

Me “ This is from my Dad Mr Davidson “ ( passing over an obviously wrapped up half bottle)

JD “ Come wi me son”

I was taken to the back of the stand just in front of the press box to watch the game.  I must have been all of ten years old.

Talk about ‘ happy days’ ?

[PTFC1942]

I remember an Easter Monday game against Hibs the goalie was Tommy Younger, I believe the Scotland goalie at the time. Thistle had a free kick about 25 yards from the Hibs goal, Younger waived away the Hibs players trying to make a wall, bad move GOAL. Later Thistle had another free kick in the same area, Younger had a wall of about 5 players guess what GOAL.

The best free kick I ever seen was in the League Cup semi final replay at Ibrox, with seconds and everybody screaming at Jimmy to murder the ball he placed it in the top right corner. Bill brown could only watch. Pure Dead Brilliant.
GOAT

 

[jags on tour]

On 12/13/2020 at 2:51 PM, michael m said:

Are you sure? Convinced it was the city end.

Edit - just seen Jaggernaut reply too!

I was getting mixed up, Roberts missed one at the Northy end vs Aberdeen in the cup I’m sure!

[Auld Jag]

6 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Actually think that could've been the 62-63 season. Not meaning to be pernickety. It's just the first penalty I can mind seeing live was Eric Caldow's v England (Hampden '62). Taking a penalty with over 130000 watching must be some experience.

Graham seems to find taking a penalty with no fans present a nervy experience.

[Dick Dastardly]

14 hours ago, PTFC1942 said:

I remember an Easter Monday game against Hibs the goalie was Tommy Younger, I believe the Scotland goalie at the time. Thistle had a free kick about 25 yards from the Hibs goal, Younger waived away the Hibs players trying to make a wall, bad move GOAL. Later Thistle had another free kick in the same area, Younger had a wall of about 5 players guess what GOAL.

The best free kick I ever seen was in the League Cup semi final replay at Ibrox, with seconds and everybody screaming at Jimmy to murder the ball he placed it in the top right corner. Bill brown could only watch. Pure Dead Brilliant.
GOAT

 

Surely no free kick could ever beat Balmoor

[Jaggernaut]

18 hours ago, a f kincaid said:

Not his debut Robphil.  10 November 1962.  1-0.  Brown's penalty was hotly disputed and went in off the underside of the bar.

NIVEN     HOGAN     BROWN     McPARLAND     HARVEY    CUNNINGHAM    COWAN    WHITELAW     HAINEY   DUFFY    SMITH

No specific info about  Niven in this match but in general my memory is that unless there was a colour clash, he always wore a green top and usually had his sleeves rolled up.
 

 

IMHO, as Thistle players:

NIVEN     HOGAN     BROWN     McPARLAND     HARVEY    CUNNINGHAM              COWAN    WHITELAW     HAINEY         DUFFY    SMITH

Legend     Legend        Legend        Legend                    Legend        Twiggy: Cult Figure        Good           Good                     Very good     Legend     Legend

[lady-isobel-barnett]

2 hours ago, Jaggernaut said:

IMHO, as Thistle players:

NIVEN     HOGAN     BROWN     McPARLAND     HARVEY    CUNNINGHAM              COWAN    WHITELAW     HAINEY         DUFFY    SMITH

Legend     Legend        Legend        Legend                    Legend        Twiggy: Cult Figure        Good           Good                     Very good     Legend     Legend

Agree entirely. 

As a wee aside.... season 62/63 we sold Joe McBride to Motherwell early on. Joe had scored goals (league only?) at a rate of 31 in 59 games. At Motherwell he upped that rate to 51 in 88. Prior to his bad injury at Celtic he was scoring at an incredible rate of 36 goals in 26 games! We oldies all know what happened that 62/63 season and like everyone else I wonder what would've been the outcome had the enforced winter shutdown not occurred. I also ask what would've happened that season had we managed to hold onto McBride, who was starting to score goals for fun. In my mind at least one of the great Jaggy What Ifs.

[Jaggernaut]

2 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Agree entirely. 

As a wee aside.... season 62/63 we sold Joe McBride to Motherwell early on. Joe had scored goals (league only?) at a rate of 31 in 59 games. At Motherwell he upped that rate to 51 in 88. Prior to his bad injury at Celtic he was scoring at an incredible rate of 36 goals in 26 games! We oldies all know what happened that 62/63 season and like everyone else I wonder what would've been the outcome had the enforced winter shutdown not occurred. I also ask what would've happened that season had we managed to hold onto McBride, who was starting to score goals for fun. In my mind at least one of the great Jaggy What Ifs.

Indeed, M'Lady. And even when people though he was finished at Celtic, he rattled in 44 goals in 67 matches for Hibs, and kept up remarkable goals-to-games ratios with his last two teams, Dunfermline and Clyde.

I seem to remember feeling especially hurt when he scored against us for Celtic, but I'm not sure when he did that.

[Dick Dastardly]

3 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Agree entirely. 

As a wee aside.... season 62/63 we sold Joe McBride to Motherwell early on. Joe had scored goals (league only?) at a rate of 31 in 59 games. At Motherwell he upped that rate to 51 in 88. Prior to his bad injury at Celtic he was scoring at an incredible rate of 36 goals in 26 games! We oldies all know what happened that 62/63 season and like everyone else I wonder what would've been the outcome had the enforced winter shutdown not occurred. I also ask what would've happened that season had we managed to hold onto McBride, who was starting to score goals for fun. In my mind at least one of the great Jaggy What Ifs.

 

1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said:

Indeed, M'Lady. And even when people though he was finished at Celtic, he rattled in 44 goals in 67 matches for Hibs, and kept up remarkable goals-to-games ratios with his last two teams, Dunfermline and Clyde.

I seem to remember feeling especially hurt when he scored against us for Celtic, but I'm not sure when he did that.

Who's he playing for now ? Worth a punt in January ?

[Jaggernaut]

8 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said:

 

Who's he playing for now ? Worth a punt in January ?

[a f kincaid]

IIRC I read somewhere that Joe was the top scorer in at least one season for every club he played for.

[Jaggernaut]

Am I right in thinking that if we'd scored a couple of penalties that we missed earlier this season, we'd currently be sitting top of the league?

If that's true, then it becomes harder to see how the manager and coaches can be blamed for us not being top right now. When professionals who would normally be expected to score from the spot get it wrong (and even world-class players do so), there's little that the manager can do.

[Garscube Road End 2]

1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said:

Am I right in thinking that if we'd scored a couple of penalties that we missed earlier this season, we'd currently be sitting top of the league?

If that's true, then it becomes harder to see how the manager and coaches can be blamed for us not being top right now. When professionals who would normally be expected to score from the spot get it wrong (and even world-class players do so), there's little that the manager can do.

There is indeed that, but Ian McCall hasn't exactly helped the cause with some of his decision making.

[gianlucatoni]

1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said:

Am I right in thinking that if we'd scored a couple of penalties that we missed earlier this season, we'd currently be sitting top of the league?

If that's true, then it becomes harder to see how the manager and coaches can be blamed for us not being top right now. When professionals who would normally be expected to score from the spot get it wrong (and even world-class players do so), there's little that the manager can do.

You'd also expect a professional goalkeeper to make the odd save or two from penalties as well.

With three main placements open (left, right and down the middle), and restrictions in feet placement on the keeper,  it certainly favours the player taking the penalty.

However, either do your homework on the taker or guess right and you're in with a chance of saving it.

[Lenziejag]

2 hours ago, Garscube Road End 2 said:

There is indeed that, but Ian McCall hasn't exactly helped the cause with some of his decision making.

I am always a bit wary of jumping to conclusions or writing off/talking up our chances until the season is complete. If we go on and get promoted, his decision making will be deemed to be correct. If we don’t, then your grumbling through the season will have been justified.

[Garscube Road End 2]

20 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:

I am always a bit wary of jumping to conclusions or writing off/talking up our chances until the season is complete. If we go on and get promoted, his decision making will be deemed to be correct. If we don’t, then your grumbling through the season will have been justified.

Grumbling? Nae me! Just a variety of opinions.

[Dick Dastardly]

9 hours ago, Jaggernaut said:

Am I right in thinking that if we'd scored a couple of penalties that we missed earlier this season, we'd currently be sitting top of the league?

If that's true, then it becomes harder to see how the manager and coaches can be blamed for us not being top right now. When professionals who would normally be expected to score from the spot get it wrong (and even world-class players do so), there's little that the manager can do.

The problem is that in those games we shouldn’t have been relying on a penalty to win it. Up to the last week, McCall has served up utter dross with questionable tactics, strange team selection and unfathomable substitutions. There is far more blame on him for us not being top of the league than there is on a couple of missed penalties