Very Bitter Jag Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 I'd be surprised if the flag thing was the primary and/or only reason! IMHO though, if anything flying the Union Jack/Flag at Firhill would be way more political than flying the Saltire or Lion Rampant, since when it comes to mens football there is no such thing as Britain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Very Bitter Jag said: Holy moly! We are a Scottish team playing in the scottish league, of course we can fly a saltire without it being a political anything! We're a British team too. I don't like flags. Countries are just made up political entities, so there's no such thing as a non-political national flag. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Bitter Jag Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 There is no British when it comes to mens football!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 11 hours ago, Very Bitter Jag said: There is no British when it comes to mens football!!! Fair enough, that's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 Whether it is or is not a symbol of independence, if some people believe it to be so, should we not refrain from flying the saltire just to remove all doubt ? Inclusivity is what we should support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Bitter Jag Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 I feel its a sad day that a Scottish football team, who play in the scottish leagues should have to justify/refrain from flying the Scottish flag. That said It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't flown, unless maybe for when we are representing Scotland in a European tournament! This my last post on the matter, just bugs me Scottish people and or companies and or the Scottish government get grief for wanting to fly the Scottish flag in Scotland as if it is default anti England or British. When the hell can it be flown? Either ban flying flags in all countries or let Scotland fly theirs like any other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted October 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 Imagine being offended by the flying of the Scottish flag in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, javeajag said: Imagine being offended by the flying of the Scottish flag in Scotland. You do see it a lot in England with the English flag. It's not so much that the saltire is inherently imbued with political meaning, but it has been used a lot to make political statements in the last few years, that I'd be unhappy being associated with. Although, on balance, I would probably still view it as somewhat apolitical. I used to think the same of the Union Flag, so things do change. This does feel like a bit of a distraction. One thing I've valued in being a Thistle fan is not having support around us wrapped either metaphorically or physically in flags for symbolism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: Whether it is or is not a symbol of independence, if some people believe it to be so, should we not refrain from flying the saltire just to remove all doubt ? Inclusivity is what we should support Sorry, could you run that by me again: How would refusing to fly the saltire at Firhill promote inclusivity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted October 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr Scruff said: You do see it a lot in England with the English flag. It's not so much that the saltire is inherently imbued with political meaning, but it has been used a lot to make political statements in the last few years, that I'd be unhappy being associated with. Although, on balance, I would probably still view it as somewhat apolitical. I used to think the same of the Union Flag, so things do change. This does feel like a bit of a distraction. One thing I've valued in being a Thistle fan is not having support around us wrapped either metaphorically or physically in flags for symbolism. Too many offended people in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, javeajag said: Too many offended people in the world That's certainly true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 38 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: Sorry, could you run that by me again: How would refusing to fly the saltire at Firhill promote inclusivity? Too me it doesn't, but looking at the comments on here, some would prefer it wasn't flown. I am not suggesting refusing to fly the flag, more choosing not to. one of these cases where you can't please all the people all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 Bingo Harrywragg! A large Red Herring flag proudly flying over Firhill will remind us all of the sheer stupidity of this sorry episode. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: Sorry, could you run that by me again: How would refusing to fly the saltire at Firhill promote inclusivity? Too me it doesn't, but looking at the comments on here, some would prefer it wasn't flown. I am not suggesting refusing to fly the flag, more choosing not to. one of these cases where you can't please all the people all the time. Alternatively, all stop talking about flags and in a couple of weeks it will all be forgotten and we can start bickering over some other trivial issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 Bickering about flags is bad enough. Bickering about flags because of a social media rumour is a new low. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 So anyway back to the boardroom. Do we only have 3 directors? Richard Beastall still on official site but he resigned a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: So anyway back to the boardroom. Do we only have 3 directors? Richard Beastall still on official site but he resigned a few weeks ago. No, that's not correct. Richard Beastall is very much still a director of the football club. As are Caroline Mackie, Andrew Holloway and Dougie McCrea. Four directors. It was Fergus Maclennan that resigned a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: So anyway back to the boardroom. Do we only have 3 directors? Richard Beastall still on official site but he resigned a few weeks ago. If two left and we were down to just one director, we wouldn't have any board room bickering. Or would we ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted October 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Woodstock Jag said: No, that's not correct. Richard Beastall is very much still a director of the football club. As are Caroline Mackie, Andrew Holloway and Dougie McCrea. Four directors. It was Fergus Maclennan that resigned a few weeks ago. Who is doing the Board evaluation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said: No, that's not correct. Richard Beastall is very much still a director of the football club. As are Caroline Mackie, Andrew Holloway and Dougie McCrea. Four directors. It was Fergus Maclennan that resigned a few weeks ago. Ah thank you. I'm losing track of if all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 hours ago, javeajag said: Who is doing the Board evaluation ? Ah the sweet smell of a meaningless task. I suspect that very few fans would be remotely interested. Anyway we have social media who evaluate every tiny bit of what goes on in PTFC. I give you flaggate as a living example of that..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said: No, that's not correct. Richard Beastall is very much still a director of the football club. As are Caroline Mackie, Andrew Holloway and Dougie McCrea. Four directors. It was Fergus Maclennan that resigned a few weeks ago. But is it only Mr McCrea who really counts? Edited October 10, 2023 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 I see despite the boardroom machinations, the club has renewed or added 3 new sponsors in recent days. Good to see the staff are continuing to work business as usual. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legend Blows Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: But is it only Mr McCrea who really counts? This is what I want to know. We have 4 directors but is it a case of what Dougie wants Dougie gets? Does he pay lip service to the other 3 or is there a genuine 4 way split of power and it's all rosy in Firhill Towers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted October 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, The Legend Blows said: This is what I want to know. We have 4 directors but is it a case of what Dougie wants Dougie gets? Does he pay lip service to the other 3 or is there a genuine 4 way split of power and it's all rosy in Firhill Towers? I think the key thing here is that we have the PTFC trust with I believe one Tjf trustee out of four, the board with two Tjf members of his four but was five, therefore the Foundation does not run either but gets blamed very often for the decisions of others. there needs to be a culture shift within the Board and the Trust to recognise we are fan owned and that involving fans in decisions and ideas is now part of who we are, not an afterthought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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