lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 16 minutes ago, dl1971 said: It's pretty obvious that we are missing Stevie Lawless in particular. In fact our relative lack of goals is primarily down to the absence of him and McMillan. We should not be so reliant on Graham delivering 20 plus goals like last season. The focus is on him to score, but our entire midfield 4 or 5 need to do far more from a scoring sense. It's a team game after all....nb agree that subs need to be on far earlier and give Diack more game time. Relative to a point I was making. Wee Stevie wouldn't be so reliant at trying to play Graham in on every forward move. Graham gets the bulk of his goals thru his off the ball movement in the box. The more you play him into just about every forward movement, long ball or build up, the less chance he has of ghosting into scoring positions. As captain he perhaps feels he should be involved in and/or directing build up play. But it ain't working and besides that yesterday we had the very player in Ablade that's suited to that part of the game. It's difficult to argue for or against dropping Big Brian when the scoring chances are not being created in the first place. Being captain, and obviously a very effective captain to boot, further confuses the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Auld Jag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 Yesterday's game was a poor game and for most of the second half it looked like it was going to end goalless. Thankfully we scored with only a few minutes to go. It was a well taken goal by Aiden, but if any of our keepers had been beaten by it, i would be disappointed. In common with a number of forum members and supporting Thistle for more than 60 years i have seen us lose more than our fair share of games like the one yesterday. So i for one was happy that we were the team that scored the late winner and it wasn't our keeper who should've done better at the goal, that turned out to be the winner. That is now 7 points from our last 3 league games and my hope is that is now us turning a corner regarding the league and we need to keep the momentum going. I would also like to see us getting O'Reilly's contract extended, as his current one expires at the end of this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 I used to remember people on here saying "it is a results driven business" and "I don't care about performances just points". I assume we won't here any of that going forward, in the more modern world it will be all about the process - all passes on the ground, huge possesion stats and the result being an after thought. Reminds me of the old saying - the operation was a success but the patient died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, Lenziejag said: In a way I understand the frustration of some on here, but I don’t understand the gloom and doom. OK, we lost to Alloa, but that is in a competition that is derided as being a “diddy cup” and undervalued because of the inclusion of the “B” Teams. But, we haven’t conceded in the league at Firhill and only to needless penalties or with 10 players when away from home. I don’t think any of the teams we have played, except Falkirk, have been better than us and we might well have held on for a point there with 11 players on the park. The doom and gloom for me is it is getting very boring watching Partick Thistle these days. It's really awful stuff and having two shots on goal all match (Fitzy had one blocked as well as his goal) really sums things up. We have scored 6 goals in 6 games, which is not ideal for a team that is throwing money at promotion. I always laugh to myself now when someone (mainly Dools or a new signing) mentions our "style of play". Really? Keeping clean sheets is clearly a plus point though and we do look OK defensively. Also, as has been mentioned on this thread, and as I have said before, fans are going to start drifting away. Late winner aside, the most exciting part of the day was the crossbar challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 17 hours ago, Jagtastic said: I might have missed something, but what is going on with the bing? The scaffold was bad enough but at least brought advertising revenue. The black sheeting, bulk liquid containers, pallets and planks of wood look is next level embarrassing. Maybe we are entering it for the Turner prize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 18 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: I used to remember people on here saying "it is a results driven business" and "I don't care about performances just points". I assume we won't here any of that going forward, in the more modern world it will be all about the process - all passes on the ground, huge possesion stats and the result being an after thought. Reminds me of the old saying - the operation was a success but the patient died. Out of likes. Agree with what you say. We all want to see Thistle play with style and passion, but we get 3 points for yesterday's win, the same as what we would've got if we had bombarded them for 90 minutes and won 1-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 14 hours ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: Time for Doolan to stand down. We are performing dreadfully. He doesn’t seem to have a clue to what he is doing. Replace him before we get totally disconnected from the title. He has been given the resources for a big squad and is doing nothing with it. For God's sake Doolan just go! You know this post makes no sense after 2 wins and a draw in the last 3 league games, scoring 5 and conceding 1, going from 9th to 4th in the process ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 57 minutes ago, Jag said: The doom and gloom for me is it is getting very boring watching Partick Thistle these days. It's really awful stuff and having two shots on goal all match (Fitzy had one blocked as well as his goal) really sums things up. We have scored 6 goals in 6 games, which is not ideal for a team that is throwing money at promotion. I always laugh to myself now when someone (mainly Dools or a new signing) mentions our "style of play". Really? Keeping clean sheets is clearly a plus point though and we do look OK defensively. Also, as has been mentioned on this thread, and as I have said before, fans are going to start drifting away. Late winner aside, the most exciting part of the day was the crossbar challenge. As has been said previously, if the team wins the fans will turn up. I can put up with a season of “Boring Boring Thistle” if it gets us promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Auld Jag said: Maybe we are entering it for the Turner prize. In that case it should be in the middle of the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 3 hours ago, allyo said: I used to be on this forum all the time. But I've kind of went off it, same reason as other social media (and football to some extent), because its a bit negative not really good for my mood. I thought after today's last minute goal I'd have a look, just to relive the moment, see all the "Yaaaaaassssss", "Come on Jags!!", "Great goal Fitzy!!!". One message, "Thank god for that". Oh well. Back to my book. 🇧🇪 Maybe it would help your mood when reading such posts if you did not regard them as negative or pessimistic, but more as "setting a high bar". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 I was at the game with 2 friends who have limited interest in football and even less in Partick Thistle and both enjoyed the game. Liked the atmosphere, friendly fans, the even nature of game and also bursts of excitement that live sport gives you. An unexpected late goal after we feared Dunfermline would go on to snatch it topped it off. For me our defence is strong but midfield not working and yep as with others not keen on the long balls. BUT WE WON! The weather was decent and then I had a couple drinks in Camerons pub St George's Rd and Dram Woodlands Rd so it was a good day out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotterJag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 4 hours ago, allyo said: I used to be on this forum all the time. But I've kind of went off it, same reason as other social media (and football to some extent), because its a bit negative not really good for my mood. I thought after today's last minute goal I'd have a look, just to relive the moment, see all the "Yaaaaaassssss", "Come on Jags!!", "Great goal Fitzy!!!". One message, "Thank god for that". Oh well. Back to my book. 🇧🇪 Can see where you're coming from and agree that it can be difficult to post at times when there is perceived negativity around the forum. I'm often caught between being a massive supporter of free speech and the allowance of people to give their version of what they see and feel but on the other hand, thinking they need to understand the affect on others. This forum is pretty balanced usually and appears to have a variety of posters and views. We need to keep it that way and not allow any one particular subject / argument or sentiment to takeover every thread. I for one was both surprised and delighted that we won and scored so late in the game yesterday. A player that has taken a lot of criticism beat two men and scored a great goal (thanks to Camallain for sharing). The crowd was 4,300, we're in the play-off positions and we haven't conceded at home in 6 league games in a row. We have a large squad and cover in all positions, with Lawless to come back. And yet, I can hardly remember seeing or feeling any positivity of our situation. I punched the air when I seen we'd scored yesterday and yet I'm left feeling that everyone else was annoyed in some way. Anyway allyo, here's an 'Up The Jags', from me. C'mon Thistle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 I didn't hear the crowd announced at the game however I read it was 4301 which is pretty decent. Dunfermline brough a reasonable amount but still looked like home attendance would be around 3700? Having now played 6 games I don't see any team that;s going to score loads of goals. I suspect the league will be won be the team conceding the fewest so could be dull fare for most of this season. Ayr seem to have some serious injuries and look to be struggling to maintain early performances and perhaps could slide closer to the pack in the next few weeks. The team I would keep an eye on is Livingston as they are just quietly racking up points and have probably the best manager in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 12 minutes ago, CotterJag said: Can see where you're coming from and agree that it can be difficult to post at times when there is perceived negativity around the forum. I'm often caught between being a massive supporter of free speech and the allowance of people to give their version of what they see and feel but on the other hand, thinking they need to understand the affect on others. This forum is pretty balanced usually and appears to have a variety of posters and views. We need to keep it that way and not allow any one particular subject / argument or sentiment to takeover every thread. I for one was both surprised and delighted that we won and scored so late in the game yesterday. A player that has taken a lot of criticism beat two men and scored a great goal (thanks to Camallain for sharing). The crowd was 4,300, we're in the play-off positions and we haven't conceded at home in 6 league games in a row. We have a large squad and cover in all positions, with Lawless to come back. And yet, I can hardly remember seeing or feeling any positivity of our situation. I punched the air when I seen we'd scored yesterday and yet I'm left feeling that everyone else was annoyed in some way. Anyway allyo, here's an 'Up The Jags', from me. C'mon Thistle. I punched the air too, and even managed a little jump, and I have a witness to prove it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 4 hours ago, Lenziejag said: In a way I understand the frustration of some on here, but I don’t understand the gloom and doom. OK, we lost to Alloa, but that is in a competition that is derided as being a “diddy cup” and undervalued because of the inclusion of the “B” Teams. But, we haven’t conceded in the league at Firhill and only to needless penalties or with 10 players when away from home. I don’t think any of the teams we have played, except Falkirk, have been better than us and we might well have held on for a point there with 11 players on the park. We also lost to Clyde and in general our cup performances have all been either poor or bang average. Beating Montrose and Edinburgh C was expected, losing to Clyde wasn’t and we drew with Motherwell in what their manager described as an unacceptable performance. We were below par against Morton and Raith, lost to Falkirk admittedly with 10 men for most of the game but Falkirk missed a good few chances and on another day it would have been a heavier defeat. We beat a very poor QP team, had a poor first half against Ayr and were slightly fortunate to win yesterday (I suspect the reaction from the crowd would have been very different had the game finished 0.0 with Muirhead’s header being the only serious attempt on goal, a damning stat). But apart from that it’s all going swimmingly.. No wonder some fans are feeling twitchy… So let’s not paper over the obvious cracks. Yes, there are positives to build on, our defence looks strong, possibly the strongest in the league, and that certainly gives us a solid base to progress from. Doolan has abandoned his previous mantra of “we’ll score more than the opposition” and adopted the initial Archie strategy of “tighten up at the back first” (which I agree with). McBeth/OReilly look a formidable pairing and we now have two strong full/wing backs. The keeper looks confident especially with cross balls. What Doolan needs to do now is find a formula middle to front, and erase the slow predicable approach we’ve seen so far this season. We’re clearly not creating anywhere near enough chances. He hinted yesterday that there will be some loan movement before the end of the month, more out than in but maybe he can find someone for the defensive midfield role that enables things to click into place. Given the backing he’s received from the board (a large squad of 27) he must succeed this season - promotion. I believe he has the players but so far he isn’t getting the best out of them, hopefully yesterday’s result gives the players some confidence and we can drive on from there. It’s still early days. Mackay has real pace and even a 75% Lawless will be valuable when they’re both back. So I’m neither doom and gloom nor overly optimistic, just hopeful Doolan can get the whole team working as a unit. Finally, I really don’t get some folk saying dropping Graham is somehow the solution. The service he is getting is absolutely rubbish (not forgetting his undoubted work rate all over the park). By all means give Diack a run with Abalade or some combination but I can’t see that in itself being the catalyst for suddenly creating more chances and goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 (edited) I actually quite enjoyed yesterday myself. I didn’t think we were that bad first half, creating a few very decent openings let down by a poor final ball (often Megwa who can be excused as it was his first game for the club). Second half was mainly terrible, but then we scored so I left happy. In terms of positives, I never felt that we would concede, and I’ve stopped having the fear every time we concede a corner or set piece. The defence looks very strong with good cover. It’s a good base on which to find the right balance. While it’s far from ideal that Doolan has not sussed out his best team and formation, at least he’s trying different things to get there, rather than stubbornly sticking to the same formula and hoping things will change. We’ve also only just landed our primary target, who I expect will have a big impact in enabling attacks down our right flank (which happened first half yesterday). Ultimately 7 points out of 9 in the last 3 shows promise, and I’m nowhere near as downbeat as some on here Edited September 22 by Duke Gekantawa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenski Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 I was there too and not nearly as negative as some on here. I liked what I saw from a lot of players individually. However we struggled to put things together at times. I'd like to see more urgency getting the ball back in play at the back - we've got pace on both sides - get them bombing forward before the opposition has regrouped. I also thought Ablade looked like he knows how to play with his back to goal. Curious to see how the team would play with him at 9 - maybe more balls up to feet and him holding up while the midfield gets forward? Might get more out of the players we've got? It's not going to happen though, unless Brian gets injured and wouldn't wish/want that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 3 hours ago, partickthedog said: In that case it should be in the middle of the park. Out of likes, so have a . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, partickthedog said: I punched the air too, and even managed a little jump, and I have a witness to prove it. Yes, i was concerned you might have done yourself an injury, thankfully not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 11 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: Yes, i was concerned you might have done yourself an injury, thankfully not. Out of likes as well, so a quick 😁 from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWearsNumber9 Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 21 hours ago, jagfox said: 7/9 points. The kind of pace we need. Exactly. For all yesterday was rubbish we won! We don’t have our best team or formation settled yet and it hasn’t clicked. With that considered we have still picked up 7/9 good points. If we can get it to click and actually start playing well I still think we are well in a promotion hunt. It needs to happen sooner or later though as we can’t rely on scraping results like today every week. Defensively we are solid and that’s a good base to work on. I fully understand we were mince yesterday but I think the doom and gloom is largely unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 We haven’t been able to get a settled team yet due either to players getting injured or suspended particularly in midfield. We knew our attacking threat on the right was going to be reduced this season with McMillan leaving and Lawless out. Doolan tried to resolve the Lawless issue by bringing in Mackay and he got injured too. He tried to get Megwa earlier, but couldn’t. Maybe a Megwa/Ablade combination can get the right hand side going a bit like last season. I think there is more reason to be optimistic than pessimistic - at least until next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 9 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: Maybe a Megwa/Ablade combination can get the right hand side going a bit like last season. I think there is more reason to be optimistic than pessimistic - at least until next weekend. Considering they can hardly have had much practice together (if any) I thought there were positive signs of an understanding/partnership already developing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 16 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Considering they can hardly have had much practice together (if any) I thought there were positive signs of an understanding/partnership already developing. Indeed - the most we've threatened from that side of the park since Stevie got crocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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