Barney Rubble Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Well done to Clyde! And well done to Yoda Jag for his message too. Given the increasing groundswell of opinion, I look forward to also being able to say well done to Mr Beattie and the board of PTFC in the coming days................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 A terrific statement from Clyde. Their supporters will be proud tonight. Clyde FC's statement is the clearest, most insightful, and fairest statement of any body so far. Well done the Bully Wee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Yodajag seems to suggest that Scottish football's woes are all due to Rangers. Ibelieve it is the other All teams. THESE teams are now asking the Sfl to save their skin. If the Sfl don't allow newcomers in division 1, will the spl teams vote to keep them in Spl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falklandal1 Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 well done Clyde,why have we not made this sort of statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 I agree with every word of this statement. PTFC should be changed to a supporters-owned club and the current board should be impeached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Yodajag seems to suggest that Scottish football's woes are all due to Rangers. Ibelieve it is the other All teams. THESE teams are now asking the Sfl to save their skin. If the Sfl don't allow newcomers in division 1, will the spl teams vote to keep them in Spl Not at all Lenziejag, scottish football woes are not down to just one club, but don't get me started on the likes of the other arse cheek, or the sheepshaggers, tractor boys, dumbdee 2, the unWell and others further down the food chain who have tried to spend £5 for every £10 the dead club or the other arse cheek did and who all chased the cashcow of selfpreservation and have put their clubs (and scottish football) in perilous financial straits over the past 20 years +, and who have lived excessively beyond their means for way too long, while ultimately achieving next to nothing when it comes to success relative to expenditure, letting the bigot brothers take 80% of the tv pot for instance - and all the diddy SPL teams (thats the other 10) who have for way too long ignored their supporters, and who have rolled over and let the gruesome twosome tickle their bellys / kick them in the head, whenever and however often the two great stains on our country and society wished to. And they were thankful for just being at the same table (well, sitting on the floor, fighting over and trying to catch the miniscule scraps of not-quite-so succulent lamb that was discarded and spat out from the greedy mouths of the ugly sisters). Hell mend them. But the reason we are all so het up at present, is the situation regarding one club and what should be done with it, and at what level and how they should start at, and if that level is within or outwith the SPL and SFL league structures. And resultant of that, is the position our Chairman and Board appear to be taking on it, a stance that is polarily opposite to not just over 95% of our support, but 95% of supporters across every club in the land, bar one or two noteable exceptions, linked by a certain QC). I have also long advocated and argued for bigger leagues, more equal share of the various pots from tv, sponsorship, prize money, but believe it should not solely come about because one of the 'big two' are now in a mess solely of their own making, that involves cheating, corruption, bullying, shady deals left right and centre for decades. ANd i have made these points to Beattie on more than one occassion. If the clubs across the country (and that includes the 10 SPL diddys) unite, and listen to the fans, look at the numerous surveys carried out in past few months across so many media, the changes that Beattie, Pressley, and many others have spoken about, CAN be achieved ..... but it has to be done SEPERATE of the Deadco situation. They are not interlinked. The situation and mess in Govan is not down to or because of league restructuring or the lack of it before now. Similarily league restructuring is not something that should be done just because one club has systematically cheated and pissed all over every decent football paying supporter for over two decades, and the nonsense some are trying to make us swallow that they should be shoehorned in with what amounts to no more than a limp wristed slap in a larry grayson voice 'oh you silly boys, how cheekily naughty, dont get caught again' and they return to the top table for next season. As it is, due to the dissaray Deadco are in, the fact (just to list a few, there are many more obstacles and 'don't have's') they have no registration, no players, no means of showing they can complete a season, with fixture lists published 3 weeks ago, only 5 weeks to start of season, the door should be closed, it's too late to rejig who plays in what leagues, so take a year out from the game - and lets be honest, they need a year out just to try sort out who owns what, what HMRC BDO will do to recover as much as possible for creditors - and add the fact that rulings on the year long transfer embargo is still to be returned (the only punishment left open and relevant now is year long suspension (or longer)), legal challenges that would be thrown up by likes of Livi, Gretna, as well as clubs outwith the SFL structure who may wish to take the vacant spot, and the whole of Scottish Football would benefit (and suffer less) if the Deadco were to take no part in professional football this coming season. 11 team SPL, 3 SFL leagues of 10 for 2012/13. Thats the only way it can be now at 1st July. Also, the legal wranglings over the bones of the h u n corpse is going to be a big enough pantomine and distraction off the park in the coming months - we do not need the added joke of them on the park and the potential trouble and financial hits their presence at football grounds around scotland would bring should they be parachuted into SFL (or possibility of other off-field wrongdoings coming to light or further financial or legal issues that could see them implode at any point in next 12 months), which would be in direct conflict with the rules governing Scottish Football. 3 years audited accounts for any newco, thank you very much, see you in 4 years (or whenever later vacancy arises). And league restructing and other changes to the game and its governance has to be done, not in 5 minutes off the back of a fag packet with crayons, but proper fan-led and focused surveys, over a period of a few months - yes fast-tracked as such, but within a timeframe that allows clubs to consult and interact with their supports and ensure the changes that are made are wholly reflective of the majority - the customers, the paying punters, the lifeblood of the game. Deal with Deadco / Sevco as one issue. Deal with league and game restructuring as a seperate issue. Follow and adhere to the rules on both, without fear or favour. No special treatment, no giving in to bullying or halfbaked bribes. Scottish football can recover its sporting integrity and survive for the better if correct paths followed. Listen to the fans, look after the sport and the money will follow you. Ignore the fans, you'll kill the sport as the money and fans will desert you. Scottish Football is at a crossroads - we cannot afford to do a benny. Do it right. The game will live and prosper. Do it wrong. The game will wither and die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I agree that there is still so much left to be sorted - but is taking a year out on the table? All the sfl clubs and some of the spl clubs agree that reconstruction is necessary. This has been discussed for years with no change. Give newco/rangers time to get their house in order and it might never happen. Let's strike while the iron is hot. Negotiate league reconstruction now and if that means they start in 2nd tier then I don't care. We are in uncharted waters hear. I am sure it is not beyond possibility to delay the start of the season by a few weeks to cast new fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I agree that there is still so much left to be sorted - but is taking a year out on the table? All the sfl clubs and some of the spl clubs agree that reconstruction is necessary. This has been discussed for years with no change. Give newco/rangers time to get their house in order and it might never happen. Let's strike while the iron is hot. Negotiate league reconstruction now and if that means they start in 2nd tier then I don't care. We are in uncharted waters hear. I am sure it is not beyond possibility to delay the start of the season by a few weeks to cast new fixtures. Dangerous talk! What is "reconstruction"? A play-off place for 2nd top? That's what the SPL would want the SFL to do, so that the defunct h u n s can get back up just as quickly as possible. NO RULE BENDING FOR ONE (AS YET NON-EXISTANT) CLUB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.D Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Dangerous talk! What is "reconstruction"? A play-off place for 2nd top? That's what the SPL would want the SFL to do, so that the defunct h u n s can get back up just as quickly as possible. NO RULE BENDING FOR ONE (AS YET NON-EXISTANT) CLUB! Concur,concur SFA as the supposed higherarchy have the responsibility for running the game in Scotland. It's well past time they got their fingers out and started to telkl the SPL to get back into the fold of SFL and kick out any ideas of separatism. We don't need 2 League bodies in this little country of ours. Time for the SFL league to invite these so called Breakaway teams back into the SFL and at the same time throw out real diddy teams with an averag attendance of less than say 6/700. How's that for an idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifu03340 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Regardless of our position on the matter it now seems certain Rangers will start in SFL 3. Currently publicly opposed are: Raith, Morton, Clyde, Falkirk, Hamilton, Peterhead, Dunfermline, Ayr (?) and Livingston. The league only needs 7 votes to 'vote them out' I hope none of them change their minds after such a strong public show of saying NO. If thats happen & any of theose clubs reverse their public opinion after Tuesday's SFL meeting then it will be far more embarrassing than our board's current position of 'No Comment'...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted July 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Our board, or rather David Beattie, has already commented. We know he's in favour of the plans published on Thursday. That's why he's now keeping schtum. He'll be hoping the principled stand of others removes the responsibility of issuing a vote. He's a coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Apparently Hamilton Accies have also released a statement saying they are against Newco beginning next season in SFL1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Apparently Hamilton Accies have also released a statement saying they are against Newco beginning next season in SFL1. Bit of dubiety over that stance now. On the upside, Stirling Albion have come out, after listening to their support, where they let them make the decision which way to vote (sfl3) ......with the added proviso:- “The stance will include the proviso that, in accordance with SFL rules, the Rangers/Newco will have to apply for election rather than be accorded automatic admission as the option, as currently worded, would imply.” Excellent to see the Binos raising the point that Sevco/Newco/ZombieRangers should meet the criteria for an application for admission, as per the rules (when we all know too well, they don't, and won't be able to, for a minimum three years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigesige00 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Regardless of our position on the matter it now seems certain Rangers will start in SFL 3. Excellent! Let's get Queen's Park jersey and attend Hampden and Ibrox when they play Rangers and there is no Jags home game. Queen's Park showed a brilliant performance in the Scottish Cup at Parkhead (lost to Celtic 1-2), gave no goal to Celtic after reduced to 10 men. I hope to see Queen's Park win at Ibrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Add East Fife to the list of No's, AND also doing a Stirling Albion: East Fife FC want to make clear our views on the current “Newco” situation as it relates to SFL membership. We have taken into account the views of over 500 of our supporters who responded to our survey. We retain an open mind on the subject of league reconstruction, and will carefully consider any proposal put to us in this regard. The board of directors of East Fife FC, however, is unanimous in its view that we shall not support any integrated plan that in our view compromises sporting integrity by involving the admission of any ‘Newco’ directly into Division One. Any “Newco” must follow the normal application route into the bottom tier. Sid Collumbine Chairman, East Fife FC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beep0608 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I've seen us lose to Clyde more than once, but not like this. I echo what others have said already, the Clyde statement is as spot on as anybody could expect. Well done the Bully Wee. Has anybody posted this on any Clyde forum, or Pie & Bovril perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Add East Fife to the list of No's, AND also doing a Stirling Albion: Would I be right in thinking that East Fife and Stirling Albion are letting their fans make the decision because those clubs are fan-controlled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeless Unbeliever Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 New statement from Clyde. Open, honest and transparent. A credit to the club once again. http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/07/04/4137/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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