Jordanhill Jag Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I think my point has been missed. Some people are financially stretched already. There are some amongst those who, over the course of a season, would sooner spend their "spare" 60quid on going to more games than a membership scheme. Or children who will pester their folks for a new scarf or strip but possibly not get too excited by a TAG membership. It is also worth noting that, although necessary for the club to budget, season tickets and annual subsciptions do not suit everybody willing to pay. Now more than ever people are picking and choosing the games they go to because of cost as much as the attractiveness of the opposition. To say we are doing more than other clubs, which i wholeheartedly agree with and praise the club for, is not to say we are doing enough. We might cheaper, but for many budgets we certainly ain't cheap! "Kids go free" is excellent. I hope it can be sustained perpetually. However when the kids turn 17, mum and dad are imediatley faced with the problem of doubling their outgoings for a game. Would it not be a good idea to have a part of the ground where this leap in cost could be a little less severe? I did not criticise or underestimate the hard working full time staff and volunteers, the have my utmost respect and gratitude, and I did not criticise the TAG scheme. I think it's quite possibly a very good thing. And not overpriced. But it will be too expensive for some, or even just not what they want from their local team. I hope the focus of the little staff available at the club is not overwhelmed by running it. From Age 16 - 18 A season Ticket is £50 - 18 - 20 - £75 that's a pretty reasonable for an SPFL Premier team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Austerity Britain right enough: I used to get 1p per programme sold and into the game for free (after cashing up; usually missed first 15mins) back in the 70's..... I got hee hew per programme sold but got free entry AND a pie and bovril in the 1980s. I blame Thatcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I got hee hew per programme sold but got free entry AND a pie and bovril in the 1980s. I blame Thatcher. I'd blame Ken Bates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I got hee hew per programme sold but got free entry AND a pie and bovril in the 1980s. I blame Thatcher. but the pies and bovril were good under Thatcher, unlike now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I'd blame Ken Bates. I'd blame Ken Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I'd blame Ken Barlow No blame from me, his boy's a great keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted February 27, 2014 Members Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I got hee hew per programme sold but got free entry AND a pie and bovril in the 1980s. I blame Thatcher. I think (like the caterers) you overdone the pies Tom!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 From Age 16 - 18 A season Ticket is £50 - 18 - 20 - £75 that's a pretty reasonable for an SPFL Premier team That's excellent value. Didn't know that and neither did a couple of pals with kids. How have sales of these gone? Can they buy one now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I think (like the caterers) you overdone the pies Tom!!! Yes, I'm fat. Well spotted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcapmilkdrinker Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 You may be large boned Tom but thanks for the thorough report, very informative for us Nomads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OorWull Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I have watched with interest as this topic has grown and have read over the details of the meeting and thought I would just add my wee bit. I have bought three season tickets for the last 15 year, along with every strip, scarf, t-shirt, et al and been a Jags Fan for the best part of 40 years. I couldn't help but notice how once again myself and all the folk in my demographic were unrepresented at this Tag meeting, as I sit in the JH Stand and don't use a Supporters Bus, as I drive to all the home/away games. I can certainly afford £5 per month, but will most certainly not be paying it, or will any of my family and friends. I realise that it is built into the price of my season tickets, but given a choice I will opt out for sure. At almost every given chance the Club leaves Fans like myself at the edges of what is happening in the Club and more and more disenfranchised. Finally, I found the comment from Ian_Mac "If someone isn't willing to pay £5 a month, in all honesty how can the club connect with them? What use are they to the club?" disgusting and an absolute insult to Fans like myself, who just don't want to pay for this Tag Scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I still don't see what is so attractive about TAG and why anyone would feel that all Jags would automatically want to pay £60 for it. If we remain in the top league people can TV highlights and match galleries free of charge.Text commentary (indeed audio commentary) is also out there free of charge. That leaves Supporter Federation membership and a badge along with some prize draws for your £60 - what's so revolutionary about that? And taking this issue a step further ..... at a time when we are struggling to increase our support, despite playing our most attractive football in 30ish years, can we really afford to close off our website to those fans who dip in and out of our club but still consider themselves to be Jags fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Okay Oor Wull, fair enough, it's an opinion. But as someone in a similar situation to yourself, season ticket for JH, don't use supporters buses etc, I can accept that other people have made more effort to engage with the club, and are therefore more represented. Have you tried to get involved in these things? Coz if you don't I just think it's more difficult to reach out to the likes of us. I don't really see what you'd gain by an opt out. I think Tag's a positive development, but I don't think it's the be all and end all of being a Jags fan, and I don't see it as a reason why anyone should feel excluded or disenfranchised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I still don't see what is so attractive about TAG and why anyone would feel that all Jags would automatically want to pay £60 for it. If we remain in the top league people can TV highlights and match galleries free of charge.Text commentary (indeed audio commentary) is also out there free of charge. That leaves Supporter Federation membership and a badge along with some prize draws for your £60 - what's so revolutionary about that? And taking this issue a step further ..... at a time when we are struggling to increase our support, despite playing our most attractive football in 30ish years, can we really afford to close off our website to those fans who dip in and out of our club but still consider themselves to be Jags fans? I don't think it's closing off the website, its giving an option for people to access more, and have more if they want and are willing to pay £60 a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I have watched with interest as this topic has grown and have read over the details of the meeting and thought I would just add my wee bit. I have bought three season tickets for the last 15 year, along with every strip, scarf, t-shirt, et al and been a Jags Fan for the best part of 40 years. I couldn't help but notice how once again myself and all the folk in my demographic were unrepresented at this Tag meeting, as I sit in the JH Stand and don't use a Supporters Bus, as I drive to all the home/away games. I can certainly afford £5 per month, but will most certainly not be paying it, or will any of my family and friends. I realise that it is built into the price of my season tickets, but given a choice I will opt out for sure. At almost every given chance the Club leaves Fans like myself at the edges of what is happening in the Club and more and more disenfranchised. Finally, I found the comment from Ian_Mac "If someone isn't willing to pay £5 a month, in all honesty how can the club connect with them? What use are they to the club?" disgusting and an absolute insult to Fans like myself, who just don't want to pay for this Tag Scheme. My Dad sits in the JHS, has had the same seat and ST since it opened, is over 65 and travels to the games by public transport, apart from the guys sitting around him he is in no way connected or affiliated to any of the reps there....... he doesn't know them. As JordinhillJag stated this was a start up with representation, it is planned to grow to represent a bigger wider demographic, not everyone is interested in being represented, taking part, thats up to the individual, but the option over time will be to have the option for all groups to have that option to be represented But in his mind he's getting a bonus, a free add on with TAG (Knowing him he will buy TAG+ too so he can see more online), he has no interest in meeting a director, or going to see Barcelona, or travelling on the team bus. Having his own unique number is a nice thing for him, being able to see interviews, extended highlights etc is a great thing, and a wee badge lets everyone know he's a Jags fan. Everyone can take as little or as much as they wish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OorWull Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 If the Tag Scheme is going to be so good, then give me an opt out option when I buy my season tickets, if it's as good as advertised I will have to take it, otherwise let me opt out and keep my £60 - that way everyone can take as little or as much as they wish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I have watched with interest as this topic has grown and have read over the details of the meeting and thought I would just add my wee bit. I have bought three season tickets for the last 15 year, along with every strip, scarf, t-shirt, et al and been a Jags Fan for the best part of 40 years. I couldn't help but notice how once again myself and all the folk in my demographic were unrepresented at this Tag meeting, as I sit in the JH Stand and don't use a Supporters Bus, as I drive to all the home/away games. I can certainly afford £5 per month, but will most certainly not be paying it, or will any of my family and friends. I realise that it is built into the price of my season tickets, but given a choice I will opt out for sure. At almost every given chance the Club leaves Fans like myself at the edges of what is happening in the Club and more and more disenfranchised. Finally, I found the comment from Ian_Mac "If someone isn't willing to pay £5 a month, in all honesty how can the club connect with them? What use are they to the club?" disgusting and an absolute insult to Fans like myself, who just don't want to pay for this Tag Scheme. It's a pity you don't feel represented, Wull, there's not really much detail in your post, so I'd ask: You say once again, when have you previously not felt represented? What demographic are you? Who do you buy the other season tickets for? Are you a member of the trust? Do you socialise in a pub pre match? Where do you live? Why would you, your family and your friends opt out of something that is free? I'm not sure what other things have left you and others like you, feeling disenfranchised? It's sad that you feel this bad about something that has left you feeling so isolated. But bear in mind that you will have representation if you and others in your living area choose to accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 If the Tag Scheme is going to be so good, then give me an opt out option when I buy my season tickets, if it's as good as advertised I will have to take it, otherwise let me opt out and keep my £60 - that way everyone can take as little or as much as they wish? It's free to season ticket holders. You aren't getting a 60 quid discount in your season ticket because you buy TAG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 A mobile App is certainly something we would consider however the key elements of TAG are in the IT infrastructure and database - the front end be it via the Website or Mobile App are not that complex. So whilst an App is a good idea its not something that would make a significant impact on the set up cost - in addition we have a sizable chunk of our support over age 60 - we need to ensure all groups within our support are considered. Have read all the arguments and counter arguments, also read the outline of the TAG meeting on the website. Unless I'm picking it up wrong said they were looking for 5000 participants, not entirely sure where these 5000 supporters are coming from.think we've about 1000/1200 season tickets who would automatically get the Core package of TAG ( some of them I'm sure would go on to the Upgrade version ) where are we going to get the other 3500 participants ? Not sure if the 5000 participants is to make it commercially viable or what the break even membership is on it . Unfortunately though I see some merit in the TAG scheme, I think any scheme should include every supporter, if they can afford to upgrade absolutely fine but probably to disengage about half the support is total folly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I would say I am not particularly represented by any of the groups at the meeting. Should a south side federation group start up then I will happily join up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 If the Tag Scheme is going to be so good, then give me an opt out option when I buy my season tickets, if it's as good as advertised I will have to take it, otherwise let me opt out and keep my £60 - that way everyone can take as little or as much as they wish? Your getting the TAG for free with a season ticket, use it or not its your choice its free, nothing to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Your getting the TAG for free with a season ticket, use it or not its your choice its free, nothing to lose Think he means TAG +, either that or he's misunderstood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I would say I am not particularly represented by any of the groups at the meeting. Should a south side federation group start up then I will happily join up As had been said, those who don't tick a box for a specific branch will be aligned to their post code and a branch formed within that post code. So for all intents and purposes there will be Cumbernauld branch, an East Kilbride branch etc... So everyone will be represented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Have read all the arguments and counter arguments, also read the outline of the TAG meeting on the website. Unless I'm picking it up wrong said they were looking for 5000 participants, not entirely sure where these 5000 supporters are coming from.think we've about 1000/1200 season tickets who would automatically get the Core package of TAG ( some of them I'm sure would go on to the Upgrade version ) where are we going to get the other 3500 participants ? Not sure if the 5000 participants is to make it commercially viable or what the break even membership is on it . Unfortunately though I see some merit in the TAG scheme, I think any scheme should include every supporter, if they can afford to upgrade absolutely fine but probably to disengage about half the support is total folly. 5000 is the target to grow towards. The aim, basically saying that in the world out there there is probably 5000 thistle fans... And it is the aim through time to grow to that figure. Can you clarify how TAG disengages half our support? Edited February 27, 2014 by potty trained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) 5000 is the target to grow towards. The aim, basically saying that in the world out there there is probably 5000 thistle fans... And it is the aim through time to grow to that figure. Can you clarify how TAG disengages half our support? Not being disrespectful to your opinion but are you seriously thinking that our core 1200 or so season tickets holders who are automatically put into the TAG scheme then the rest of our home crowd which is probably about 3500 are going to subscribe to TAG. In effect you're expecting the other 2300 to subscribe!! , don't think that's going to happen that's where the disengagement comes in . A free app on your phone would cost the club about £ 4000.00 per annum which includes set up costs. IMO the club would easily recoup that with notifications , promotions ,functions etc and the key thing about this it could include everybody and make everyone feel part of our club. Edited February 27, 2014 by jlsarmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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