Jordanhill Jag Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, javeajag said: Less at least £1m plus .....cheers Archie but avoid giving g any evidence to your generalisations Ok so revenue at best in Championship is circa £1.7 mn - if we get relegated its in the region of £1.2 mn So its prudent to have cast iron gaurantees ref the cost of the training ground linked to income - there was no confirmation thaf this was happening ( or even thought about ) the plan is promotion this Season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 27, 2018 Report Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, javeajag said: Less at least £1m plus .....cheers Archie but avoid giving g any evidence to your generalisations If we get relegated it could mean going part time - do you still think we will need a training ground ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 A lot of argument and counter argument. What cant be disputed , we have went from being a club that looked like establishing itself as a long term Premier league team, to a team that could suffer double relegation in the space of less than 2 years. This has been caused by mismanagement in both the boardroom and changing room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Auld Jag said: A lot of argument and counter argument. What cant be disputed , we have went from being a club that looked like establishing itself as a long term Premier league team, to a team that could suffer double relegation in the space of less than 2 years. This has been caused by mismanagement in both the boardroom and changing room. Agree 100% with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Fair question -I would have invested in a Director of Recruitment with a proper Scouting Network not an Academy - have well funded teams from 16 onwards - nothing more - have them playing in European Tournaments on a regular basis advertised the Youth Academy roles wide and far and recruited the best from whatever Country Set up a Futures Fund along the lines of the one described by Stolen Scone have set targets that if the Club didnt meet them - no more funding Most Sports get funding linked to performance so thats standard practice Set up a seperate investment trust board to supervise the cash going in and what the returns were - focus on long term sustainability of the Club - Football and none Football Upgrade the toilets in the JHS the key is performance targets that have to be met and having a seperate supervisory board for the investment Plenty of teams with "proper" scouting networks and whatever a "Director of Recruitment" might be (sounds like a cushy number for somebody) surely end up getting relegated. How might that be due to people like the Weirs, I wonder.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Ok so revenue at best in Championship is circa £1.7 mn - if we get relegated its in the region of £1.2 mn So its prudent to have cast iron gaurantees ref the cost of the training ground linked to income - there was no confirmation thaf this was happening ( or even thought about ) the plan is promotion this Season You don’t know there aren’t .....it’s negative speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: If we get relegated it could mean going part time - do you still think we will need a training ground ? Where would you suggest we train then ? How much would that cost ? Your back garden maybe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Most likely they did as they were desperate to offload the debt In other words you don’t know .....so stop digging 8 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Most likely they did as they were desperate to offload the debt Most likely.....you don’t know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 19 hours ago, KemoAvdiu said: Is your position literally that being debt free is worse than being in debt? You'll rarely get barred from your local if you owe the pub some dosh. Keep your name up on the slate and when you get a bit out of order it'll amaze you how much leeway the landlord gives you. Kinda irrelevant to the subject matter. So carry on, team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 20 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: If you get free money then there is little or no incentive on things like getting bums on seats etc as the shortfall is being made up - it leads to complaceny and lack of drive and innovation - that permeates on multi levels We were promoted on half of the budgeted turnover we have for this year More eggnog nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: If we get relegated it could mean going part time - do you still think we will need a training ground ? Yet more eggnog induced tosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Thistleberight said: Yet more eggnog induced tosh So there is no risk of going part time if we get relegated ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Thistleberight said: More eggnog nonsense No thats an opinion based on experience - you dont agree - fine - but its not nonsense as the reality of what happened points in that direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 hours ago, javeajag said: In other words you don’t know .....so stop digging Most likely.....you don’t know And neither do you - so its a mute point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted December 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said: And neither do you - so its a mute point I'm sure many of us wish it was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 hours ago, javeajag said: Where would you suggest we train then ? How much would that cost ? Your back garden maybe ? We currently pay circa £125K for the first Team - previously it was circa £60 - 70K - we were promoted and survived a Season in the Premier prior to moving to West of Scotland therefore what we had obviously worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 Just now, scotty said: I'm sure many of us wish it was. fair enough - we are going round in circles - point taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 Whatever people’s views are, there is usually a lot of truth behind what JJ says. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: We currently pay circa £125K for the first Team - previously it was circa £60 - 70K - we were promoted and survived a Season in the Premier prior to moving to West of Scotland therefore what we had obviously worked What is your point ? Paying £125k for our brand new training facility which we pay now anyway is wrong because we paid less in the past ? We paid less for everything in the past! will the centre be value for money , will it help even a little bit ..., yes time you stopped whining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Auld Jag said: A lot of argument and counter argument. What cant be disputed , we have went from being a club that looked like establishing itself as a long term Premier league team, to a team that could suffer double relegation in the space of less than 2 years. This has been caused by mismanagement in both the boardroom and changing room. At least someone on this thread speaking some common sense that everyone agrees with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, sandy said: Whatever people’s views are, there is usually a lot of truth behind what JJ says. I agree. JJ makes a lot of good points. It's not about whether the weir cash is welcomed, or well intentioned, or potentially beneficial (of course it is). It is whether it has actually helped us. Unfortunately i suspect that it may possibly have contributed to the complacency and mismanagement that has led to where we are now. That, of course, is no fault of the weirs Edited December 28, 2018 by allyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 Please end this pointless argument Mr Moderator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Please end this pointless argument Mr Moderator. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 Reckon if the moderator ended all the pointless arguments there wouldn't be much left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Interesting points made from both sides, imo. People are all a bit too binary these days, wrong or right. Yes or no. There’s a lot of grey out there too Edited December 28, 2018 by jagfox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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