The Great Lambini Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't think he is going anywhere but if he does so be it. In my mind its players that make the difference and we currently have the best group we have had in years. It's not being unrealistic to expect a new manager to pick up the baton and carry on the success. Its rare that a manager gets a job when a team is doing well but in some ways I think that is where Jackie was lucky. I think McCalls influence still is evident in ths team and he definitely started this process in my eyes. I don't know the details of his departure but I would have him back in a heartbeat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Rumour mill says Steve Kean is manager from England being interviewed for Dundee United job. Keanout and the Arabs are made for each other. I don't like them and he's a Jakie so and so. Hope it comes off. Unlike Keanout, Jackie's got a bit of class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted January 28, 2013 Members Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Perhaps Jackie should have a word with Ian McCall. He followed him at Thistle..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickAsThieves Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think McCalls influence still is evident in ths team and he definitely started this process in my eyes. I don't know the details of his departure but I would have him back in a heartbeat. I don't either. I know a lot of people here do, and I know this is slightly off-topic, but if someone could PM me the details that would be great. Always wondered since he left - and I've got an idea - but would like to know for definite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
licencetogrill Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yes the word here in Dundee, in the last hour! is that Kean was spotted being interviewed this evening in a well known Dundee hotel. Hope this is true - to be honest as I've been saying to colleagues all day since the news broke I don't give a stuff who it is as long as it;s not McNamara !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think McCalls influence still is evident in ths team and he definitely started this process in my eyes. I don't know the details of his departure but I would have him back in a heartbeat. I agree with the first part here. McCall put the core of our team together and we play the way McCall wanted to play. Ultimately though, I don't think he had the ability to get us to play as well as we have done this season. Jackie's fresh eyes and fresh ideas made him the ideal man to build on what McCall started. I'm not sure I'd want McCall back, but I'd certainly have him as a caretaker (if he was willing) should Jackie be poached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm not getting the McCall love in - It felt to me at the time that everything at the club was beginning to stagnate. I can only speculate but I don't think we'd be in as strong a position either on the park or off it, if he was in his position for any longer than he was. As I said earlier, this only got worse after he'd spoken to Dundee. Fcuk sake - remember Lovell being offered repeated contracts and it being a big thing to go two games unbeaten! I see him pretty regularly around the west end and more often than not he's still got his Thistle tracksuit on. He was behind me in traffic one day and was giving it the thumbs up etc. at my Thistle window sticker. It is a shame because we've obviously got some place in his heart, but I really think it would be a massive step backwards to have him involved again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm not getting the McCall love in - It felt to me at the time that everything at the club was beginning to stagnate. I can only speculate but I don't think we'd be in as strong a position either on the park or off it, if he was in his position for any longer than he was. As I said earlier, this only got worse after he'd spoken to Dundee. Fcuk sake - remember Lovell being offered repeated contracts and it being a big thing to go two games unbeaten! I see him pretty regularly around the west end and more often than not he's still got his Thistle tracksuit on. He was behind me in traffic one day and was giving it the thumbs up etc. at my Thistle window sticker. It is a shame because we've obviously got some place in his heart, but I really think it would be a massive step backwards to have him involved again. Whilst we started to stagnate under him, we did come a long way under him. Just compare the team Jackie inherited to the one that Campbell left. Sorry, shouldn't mention the Dick just before bedtime, might give forum readers nightmares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z88 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Would like to think that Jackie would decide to see if he can win a league and a cup with us this season. I can't imagine the higher salary on offer would be an immediate deciding factor for him plus DU are cutting playing budget, while if we get to SPL our budget should increase. If he achieves trophies with us this season and does ok next season I'm sure clubs bigger than DU will be knocking at the door for him in the very near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags365 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Whilst we started to stagnate under him, we did come a long way under him. Just compare the team Jackie inherited to the one that Campbell left. Sorry, shouldn't mention the Dick just before bedtime, might give forum readers nightmares. Players/staff we have that McCall kept/brought in (to the best of my memory!) Jackie, Sid, Hinchy, Archie, Conrad (on Jackie's reconmendation), Erskine, Rowson, Doolan, Bannigan and Welsh(?). I would say that the team probably has more a Jackie stamp on it than a McCall one. Anyway, I don't think Jackie will leave us yet FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't see a move to Dundee United as a smart move for Jackie at this point in his career. A domestic cup, albeit a Challenge Cup and a League Title looks far more impressive than consolidation in the SPL. Even at this stage of the season, Dundee Utd have absolutely nothing to play for, so if Jackie can continue the good work here, far more lucrative offers from down south are going to arise sooner rather than later. At this stage it would appear that Old Brown Shoes is still the leading contender for the job (God knows why), with Steve Kean and Phil Brown's name also being tossed around. I'm hopeful that we can retain Jackie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Players/staff we have that McCall kept/brought in (to the best of my memory!) Jackie, Sid, Hinchy, Archie, Conrad (on Jackie's reconmendation), Erskine, Rowson, Doolan, Bannigan and Welsh(?). I would say that the team probably has more a Jackie stamp on it than a McCall one. Anyway, I don't think Jackie will leave us yet FWIW. Fox and Paton too. So from Saturday's team: Fox, Archie, Balatoni, Paton, Bannigan, Welsh, Erskine. Did Doolan not come on as a sub too? Actually, were Archie and Sid not Campbell signings? Not to criticise Jackie saying he hasn't made the team - he took a good competent team at this level and dressed them up turning them into contenders. Edited January 28, 2013 by twinny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Don't want McCall back, he burned his bridges. His time in the game has gone. Superscore Board is as good as it gets for him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't see a move to Dundee United as a smart move for Jackie at this point in his career. A domestic cup, albeit a Challenge Cup and a League Title looks far more impressive than consolidation in the SPL. Even at this stage of the season, Dundee Utd have absolutely nothing to play for, so if Jackie can continue the good work here, far more lucrative offers from down south are going to arise sooner rather than later. At this stage it would appear that Old Brown Shoes is still the leading contender for the job (God knows why), with Steve Kean and Phil Brown's name also being tossed around. I'm hopeful that we can retain Jackie. Consolidation? They're 7 points off a champions league place and play rangers at home in the Scottish Cup on Saturday! Would you say that's nothing to play for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think McCalls influence still is evident in ths team and he definitely started this process in my eyes. I don't know the details of his departure but I would have him back in a heartbeat. I don't either. I know a lot of people here do, and I know this is slightly off-topic, but if someone could PM me the details that would be great. Always wondered since he left - and I've got an idea - but would like to know for definite. Don't want McCall back, he burned his bridges. Ah, so now we know why there was all those subtle references to no smoke without fire.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't think he is going anywhere but if he does so be it. In my mind its players that make the difference and we currently have the best group we have had in years. It's not being unrealistic to expect a new manager to pick up the baton and carry on the success. Its rare that a manager gets a job when a team is doing well but in some ways I think that is where Jackie was lucky. I think McCalls influence still is evident in ths team and he definitely started this process in my eyes. I don't know the details of his departure but I would have him back in a heartbeat. And if you did, you wouldn't. Fox and Paton too. So from Saturday's team: Fox, Archie, Balatoni, Paton, Bannigan, Welsh, Erskine. Did Doolan not come on as a sub too? Actually, were Archie and Sid not Campbell signings? Not to criticise Jackie saying he hasn't made the team - he took a good competent team at this level and dressed them up turning them into contenders. Look at the youth set-up, fitness levels, way team plays now - McCall maybe laid the foundations and signed the above named players, but the players are all better players now than they were under McCall, fitness and desire to never give up is different world from under McCall, and the youth set-up was poorer, now much improved under McNamara, and hasn't signed anywhere near the percentage of wasters that McCAll was prone to bringing in. When Jackie does leave, the fear is all these factors will start swinging back to the negative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G SUS Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Actually, were Archie and Sid not Campbell signings? They were signed under Campbells tenure, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicofan Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) They were signed under Campbells tenure, yes. Did the miner not bring back Archie? Ignore me..blindness Edited January 29, 2013 by Chicofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) I thought Archie was brought in by McCall to replace Boyd. Also Welsh was signed on loan by McNamara last season, was he not? Bannigan hardly kicked a ball under McCall. Was maybe out on loan under him. McNamara also switched Paton to midfield. McCall as manager again? Not a snowball's chance in hell of this happening, imo. Edited January 29, 2013 by jagfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G SUS Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I thought Archie was brought in by McCall to replace Boyd. Archibald was re-signed in January 2007, under Dick Campbell. Boyd went to Ross County in August 2007. Also Welsh was signed on loan by McNamara last season, was he not? Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 After converting from timmery to Jaggism, a defection by JM to arabry at this stage would be unpardonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hansen Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 After converting from timmery to Jaggism, a defection by JM to arabry at this stage would be unpardonable. What will be will be but what we need is clear quick decision making for our next game stay or go but do it now please not dragging on all week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Well United are hoping to have their new manager in place by the weekend. I wish they would hurry up, this speculation is doing my box in. I'm almost wanting Sevco to beat them in the cup, almost #stressedoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Rumour mill on P and B saying new Und manager will be in place tonight at Fir Park and its understood that it will be.................................Billy Dodds!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Rumour mill on P and B saying new Und manager will be in place tonight at Fir Park and its understood that it will be.................................Billy Dodds!!! You've cheered me up Linds, even if it doesn't come to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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