Jaggernaut Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Whoever started this thread is starting to look a bit silly I'm used to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebaw1 Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Had forgotten some of those were initially on loan. Donnelly and Buckley! Brilliant. Perhaps we should focus on the duds. Loads of them. Mostly from Sevco. Stevie Campbell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearchar Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 [Penrice] More likely to be sitting on the bench beside McCarthy, another talented youngster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cuddly Toi Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Wilkinson from Stoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Wilkinson from Stoke Another gem in a team of absolute duds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Wilkinson from Stoke Sad that he had to retire at just 31 following a head injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Kris Doolan has scored many goals as a lone striker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Peter Lindau Billy Dodds Colin West Andy Murdoch To name but a few good loan players, some who came back to play permanently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 The late John McNaught has been a shocking omission from this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Another gem in a team of absolute duds. Be very afraid, Jaggernaut. Grant Murray's lawyers are preparing a writ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Be very afraid, Jaggernaut. Grant Murray's lawyers are preparing a writ! Nah, he'll back off; he always did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Okay: Connor Sammon ... what is he doing for us? What is the point of him in our squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Okay: Connor Sammon ... what is he doing for us? What is the point of him in our squad? He offers something..."different". Isn't that the kind way all the managers put it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 To be fair we haven't played to his strengths. Out wide??? He surprised me against rangers. One up front only works if you have other players in support, were too busy hanging about the half way line. How many times last week for example did Storey get the ball in a wide area and look into the box to see, if he was lucky, one red and yellow jersey. Also, how many times do we play a ball into space for a striker to run onto? Its always tried to be put into feet. I don't know what we do all week in training but we're unbelievably clueless in our approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Being at Rugby Park yesterday did at least bring back the memory of loan player Robbie Muirhead scoring 2 excellent goals in a fine 5-2 victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 So, apart from: Lyle Taylor Chris Erskine John McNaught Colin West Robbie Muirhead Damian Gray Callum Booth Eddie Prudham Sean Welsh Conrad Balatoni Alex Taylor John Buckley Conor Sammon Peter Lindau Billy Dodds Andy Murdoch Steven Lennon (ugh!) Kyle Hutton What have loan players ever done for the Jags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 They have provided light relief on this site amid our trouble and strife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Forgot about: Aidan Nesbitt George Moncur Jake Carroll Jamie Adams Stevie Lovell Ryan McGowan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Even Prince Buaben showed that Maryhill was nothing to be scared of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Forgot about: Aidan Nesbitt George Moncur Jake Carroll Jamie Adams Stevie Lovell Ryan McGowan Congratulations on producing a list of loan players. Now to the question: What did they actually do to better the position of PTFC? Yes, a few of them made a positive difference, but did they all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Congratulations on producing a list of loan players. Now to the question: What did they actually do to better the position of PTFC? Yes, a few of them made a positive difference, but did they all? Not entirely sure the validity of the point I think you're making. I, and I'm sure most of us, could name a team of loan players who judged on their Jags form would beat a team of Jags signed players, and of course vice versa. There's possibly three types of loan players. There's the ones brought in with the main intention to considerably strengthen the squad tho' we'd have next to no chance of signing (recently Moncur, Bauben, Aiden Nesbitt). Others to do the same but if they showed promise we would likely have a good chance of signing (Welsh, Booth and I believe, Taylor). Thirdly there's the emergency/panic type of loan who may fall also into either of the first two but the main priority is to help out immediately (we tend to sign players on short contracts instead). In recent years I reckon we've been successful in signing loanees. I guess we would've struggled, probably faced a bit more competition, when it came to signing up some good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) There was also a young full-back we got on loan from Hearts (I think) a few years ago. I thought he looked a decent player. Anybody remember his name? Edited December 11, 2017 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Craig Sives? Something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Derek Collins was on loan from Hibs and helped us win the Second Division, even chipping in with the odd goal. Paul Tosh became a Scottish Cup legend, being one of the 8 men of Arbroath (scoring in that game too), before going on to notch a hat-trick against Cowdenbeath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) Congratulations on producing a list of loan players. Now to the question: What did they actually do to better the position of PTFC? Yes, a few of them made a positive difference, but did they all? I think it is unrealistic to expect every loan player to make a positive difference. When signing a player on loan for a few months, you can afford to take more of a risk than if signing someone on a 3 year deal. If it does not work out , the financial outlay has been relatively minimal, and you can say goodbye with few regrets. I ran this question through my scientifically devised Mincometer and it came back with the following formulae: When signing a player for more than 2 years a reasonable expectation would be Good 65% Average 30% Pure & Utter Mince 5% When signing a player for at least 1 year but less than 2 years a reasonable expectation would be Good 50% Average 30% Pure & Utter Mince 20% When signing a player for a half season loan a reasonable expectation would be Good 35% Average 30% Pure & Utter Mince 35% Analysing Thistle loan players over the years, the Mincometer concludes that based on these formulae we have done reasonably OK and perhaps slightly above expectation. Edited December 12, 2017 by partickthedog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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