Garscube Road End Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, javeajag said: It depends on ‘normal’....most countries want to get past Easter then begin phase 2......Austria, Denmark Sweden Spain and Italy already beginning this ( 5 week lockdowns looks an average) U.K. govt looking at opening primary schools ( looks like young kids don’t even get the virus ) and getting younger people back to some kind of work interestingly Jet2 say they will restart flying in June 17 so normal could be games behind close doors in June Will we be in a position to provide emergency services for behind closed doors games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Emsca said: I don't agree. Drastic times require drastic solutions. That's drastic all right. Killing the club!@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: We have no choice but to accept any democratic vote my our fellow members. That's what every club signs up for It’s totally weak governance by Neil Doncaster and I’m going to include Ian Maxwell in this as well to pass the buck on decision making for the good of Scottish Football and handing it to the Clubs Any vote by the Clubs is going to be purely down to self interest not for the good of our game . Not sure where sporting integrity comes into it as well when teams haven’t played the same number of games . Hope Maxie grows a pair and fights our case but I’m not hopeful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Emsca said: I don't agree. Drastic times require drastic solutions. Still going to be a vote of self interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 17 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: I don't get why they are saying if it is voted through they will then discuss league construction. why can't we start with that? Because it's a con; it's bait to convince everybody to vote it through. Then reconstruction will be 'discussed' and rejected by the Prem teams who don't want to dilute their share of revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Will we be in a position to provide emergency services for behind closed doors games? Possibly .....the point is it’s still a changing situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, delurker said: Because it's a con; it's bait to convince everybody to vote it through. Then reconstruction will be 'discussed' and rejected by the Prem teams who don't want to dilute their share of revenue. 100 % correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 47 minutes ago, a f kincaid said: If my arithmetic is up to it, Thistle could be relegated by 0.037 of a point. Must be some sort of record! show us yer working - only cos it's pishing & I don't fancy doing my exercise outdoors just now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) Regrettably I fear that the majority of chairmen/boards will just see the dangled carrot of instant access to the cash - where's the much vaunted 'sporting integrity' in that? - and vote for that. The consequences of doing so will not be given a second thought. As other posters have said it's also a disgustingly twisted way Doncaster et al have thought up to get the clubs to dirty work of decision making. Rather than coming up with a workable plan (of either voiding the season or reconstruction) and getting the clubs on board they have spent the time in working out this crap scheme & damage limitation to their own f**ked up organisation. Edited April 9, 2020 by gianlucatoni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 Tables now on the SPFL website. QOS played 28, points 28 = 1 point per game. PTFC played 27, points 26 = 0.964 point per game. Take one from the other and we're 0.037 of a point adrift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARu-Strathbungo Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, javeajag said: It depends on ‘normal’....most countries want to get past Easter then begin phase 2......Austria, Denmark Sweden Spain and Italy already beginning this ( 5 week lockdowns looks an average) U.K. govt looking at opening primary schools ( looks like young kids don’t even get the virus ) and getting younger people back to some kind of work interestingly Jet2 say they will restart flying in June 17 so normal could be games behind close doors in June Everything you have said is subject to a big question mark … what politician would think to open the schools only to find that the corona virus has yet again mutated and starts to infect younger kids? The government we have now is hardly the most intelligent, but they are savvy, streetwise and cunning enough know that any relaxation must be a Europe wide decision. Regarding football …. at what point do you allow football matches to proceed if you are trying to enforce social distancing? Could you consider a contact sport like football to go ahead even if it is behind closed doors Jet2 can announce any 'resumptions of services' date they want, if the European governments say there is a ban on all but essential flights they will go nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtastic Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Garscube Road End said: We have no choice but to accept any democratic vote my our fellow members. That's what every club signs up for And if they don't get the desired result from said vote, we can just have it again eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, javeajag said: interestingly Jet2 say they will restart flying in June 17 so normal could be games behind close doors in June Do Jet2 air crew have to do a preseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jagtastic said: And if they don't get the desired result from said vote, we can just have it again eh? You dont seem to accept the principle of a democratic vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: It’s totally weak governance by Neil Doncaster and I’m going to include Ian Maxwell in this as well to pass the buck on decision making for the good of Scottish Football and handing it to the Clubs Any vote by the Clubs is going to be purely down to self interest not for the good of our game . Not sure where sporting integrity comes into it as well when teams haven’t played the same number of games . Hope Maxie grows a pair and fights our case but I’m not hopeful. And if we were 9th and QotS 10th, would we be voting for sporting integrity or self interest ? The fact is that we don't know where this virus is going and until we know what the exit plan is, it is foolish to decide what to do about the current season. I understand the need to distribute cash to keep clubs afloat, but there must be another way to do that while keeping the current season open until we know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtastic Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: You dont seem to accept the principle of a democratic vote. You don't seem to remember 2004 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Do Jet2 air crew have to do a preseason? I hear Harkins has signed a pre-contract for them Edited April 9, 2020 by sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 Interesting read https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52227551 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, ARu-Strathbungo said: Everything you have said is subject to a big question mark … what politician would think to open the schools only to find that the corona virus has yet again mutated and starts to infect younger kids? The government we have now is hardly the most intelligent, but they are savvy, streetwise and cunning enough know that any relaxation must be a Europe wide decision. Regarding football …. at what point do you allow football matches to proceed if you are trying to enforce social distancing? Could you consider a contact sport like football to go ahead even if it is behind closed doors Jet2 can announce any 'resumptions of services' date they want, if the European governments say there is a ban on all but essential flights they will go nowhere. Of course you have a point....I’m just pointing out things can change....schools in Denmark re open next week, schools in Sweden have never shut , Spain its ending its lockdown from April 26 etc etc if the U.K. govt wants younger people to get back to work then who knows Where we will be in June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: Of course you have a point....I’m just pointing out things can change....schools in Denmark re open next week, schools in Sweden have never shut , Spain its ending its lockdown from April 26 etc etc if the U.K. govt wants younger people to get back to work then who knows Where we will be in June And if countries start lifting lockdown and infection rates start rising resulting in the lockdowns being brought back, who knows where we will be in June 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: And if countries start lifting lockdown and infection rates start rising resulting in the lockdowns being brought back, who knows where we will be in June 2021. Sure .....but by there will be probably be a vaccine .....anyway the virus is everywhere now so by then the dreaded herd immunity will be in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jagtastic said: You don't seem to remember 2004 Oh! I well remember the stitch that went on there. And where did our legal fight get us then? This would be no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfirejkl Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 I was hoping for a restructuring- at least in the interim. Three leagues of 14. Something a wee bit different to look forward to after all this gloom. However if they are going to call it, we have been dire all year and never found ways to win games we should have. home form was definitely abysmal. If they find a way to keep Hearts up though that will be a farce. Still hopeful - but look forward to any kind of football coming our way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARu-Strathbungo Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, javeajag said: Of course you have a point....I’m just pointing out things can change....schools in Denmark re open next week, schools in Sweden have never shut , Spain its ending its lockdown from April 26 etc etc if the U.K. govt wants younger people to get back to work then who knows Where we will be in June For sure the whole situation can change, it could change for the worst, but hopefully it will change for the better. What I think may happen is there will be a 'new normal', but within that 'new normal' I don't think the UK will be anything like the country we remember from before Covid-19. I think we need to have a vaccine created, tested and distributed worldwide before we really get back to what we all remember as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 hours ago, javeajag said: It depends on ‘normal’....most countries want to get past Easter then begin phase 2......Austria, Denmark Sweden Spain and Italy already beginning this ( 5 week lockdowns looks an average) U.K. govt looking at opening primary schools ( looks like young kids don’t even get the virus ) and getting younger people back to some kind of work interestingly Jet2 say they will restart flying in June 17 so normal could be games behind close doors in June This is simply not true. Posting this sort of nonsense is dangerous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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