Muscat Jag Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Colognejag said: I think Celtic fear UEFA will null and void the seasons across Europe. Suspicion is Celtic want this rushed through to ensure they are crowned before UEFA make that decision. Do UEFA have that authority? I'd assumed that they were about call time on football being played this season and leave national authorities to determine the outcome as things stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgow Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, laukat said: If the season is marked as complete Scotland is potentially entitled to a second champions league spot due to the runs Sevco and Celtic had in season 19/20. If 19/20 is scrubbed 2nd place is a Uefa cup spot which isn't as lucrative. I always thought the extra places are always delayed, so it doesn’t kick in until 2021/22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Colognejag said: I think Celtic fear UEFA will null and void the seasons across Europe. Suspicion is Celtic want this rushed through to ensure they are crowned before UEFA make that decision. Think you’re 100% correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colognejag Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Muscat Jag said: Do UEFA have that authority? I'd assumed that they were about call time on football being played this season and leave national authorities to determine the outcome as things stand. Don't know, just a possible reason as to why they felt they had to rush through a decision last week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, javeajag said: FAO Neil Doncaster. The Icelandic FA (KSÍ) accelerates payments to clubs to ease the financial burden. Look at the shambles going on in Scotland, the SPFL hierarchy couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. What do you expect for 400k a year ( Doncaster’s salary ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, jlsarmy said: What do you expect for 400k a year ( Doncaster’s salary ) And here's me thinking that as a key worker on 18k per annum I was a lucky barsteward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, BowenBoys said: Sure. What counts as a 'glamour friendly' in the world of Big Pharma? That is true that drug companies are working together and that a vaccine when available will be freely distributed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgow Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Maybe we have misjudged them and they have always wanted the integrity and impartiality and by cancelling their vote it was the best tool to get that moving. Perhaps reconstruction of the league was always their bargaining point and it wasn't about glamour friendlies. I'm happy to have the jury out on DFC and see where this saga goes. I suspect DFC are simply taking advantage of the monumental error the SPFL made by releasing the partial result. Will see how that plays out. However, this is one reason I am not keen on calls for boycotts. The Forfar chairman for example has kind of dug himself into a hole. Had Forfar called in the football debt for Alan Morgan in the run up to Save The Jags, there probably wouldn’t have been been a club to save. For me, that gives them a free pass for their chairman saying things on the radio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Colognejag said: So Celtic can be crowned champions. In these circumstances it would be a tainted honour- not sure they would want that. It was going to happen anyway, so why the haste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, mgow said: I suspect DFC are simply taking advantage of the monumental error the SPFL made by releasing the partial result. Will see how that plays out. However, this is one reason I am not keen on calls for boycotts. The Forfar chairman for example has kind of dug himself into a hole. Had Forfar called in the football debt for Alan Morgan in the run up to Save The Jags, there probably wouldn’t have been been a club to save. For me, that gives them a free pass for their chairman saying things on the radio. Nope. No free pass on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Taking Dundee's statement at face value, i.e. they want a serious discussion about league reconstruction (presumably within the 28 day period), offers clubs the chance to change their vote if the SPFL rescinds the rule that only no votes can be changed. The SPFL should now come clean and have a grown up discussion with all clubs about reconstruction, rather than (illegally) trying to Shanhai clubs into taking the dosh under duress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 What's stopping Thistle withdrawing our 'No' vote? Then we'll have exactly the same reconstruction leverage Dundee currently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colognejag Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, mgow said: I suspect DFC are simply taking advantage of the monumental error the SPFL made by releasing the partial result. Will see how that plays out. However, this is one reason I am not keen on calls for boycotts. The Forfar chairman for example has kind of dug himself into a hole. Had Forfar called in the football debt for Alan Morgan in the run up to Save The Jags, there probably wouldn’t have been been a club to save. For me, that gives them a free pass for their chairman saying things on the radio. By announcing that Dundee were the last club to vote and knew they could sway things, they were given undue "advantage" - they should never have been told this. The result of votes should only ever have been given once all votes were in. That is where it all stinks. This is where the SPFL have got themselves into a hole. They could not accept a decision was made that they did not want. I love a bridie, the ones from the all-night bakery in St. Andrews were the bees-knees. That is good enough to like Forfar for me! They acted with grace over Morgan. They are entitled to vote whatever way they did, but like too many voted on something, they were forced into doing, when there was/is an alternative which is more fair. They were told it was the only option. Not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colognejag Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Emsca said: In these circumstances it would be a tainted honour- not sure they would want that. It was going to happen anyway, so why the haste? Yep, the noise is deafening from Celtic fans who do not want the title given to them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: That is true that drug companies are working together and that a vaccine when available will be freely distributed. And big pharmaceutical companies are well known for their benevelence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Dundee's statement this evening says they want league reconstruction, and hint that they will not vote on the resolution at present. That was my interpretation too. Might not be clear-cut yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: And here's me thinking that as a key worker on 18k per annum I was a lucky barsteward. 20 key workers = 1 Neil Doncaster World is phkd up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Colognejag said: Yep, the noise is deafening from Celtic fans who do not want the title given to them... Yeah I accept that. I just dont know why they are so keen to get it done so quickly. Perhaps it is the UEFA situation. Still think Sellik would prefer to play the games and be crowned champions without questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag36 Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, One t in Scotland said: What's stopping Thistle withdrawing our 'No' vote? Then we'll have exactly the same reconstruction leverage Dundee currently have. No it wouldn't..its the fact Dundee have the deciding vote that gives them the leverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Barney Rubble said: For the last three years Thistle have been extremely adept at social distancing in those situations. Perhaps they could be held up as an example by UEFA? (Sorry Norge - it was an open goal......) Our defense and midfield stand on the goal line holding hands at corners. Fox will be ok he’s usually 2 yards behind the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jag36 said: No it wouldn't..its the fact Dundee have the deciding vote that gives them the leverage So would we if we also switched from No --> Yes. 1 Yes vote required and only ICT, Dundee or PTFC can make it happen. Guarantee to extend the League to 14 or negotiate some hefty compensation and we vote Yes. Out the box thinking perhaps but why let Dundee hold all the cards whilst just waiting to be shafted. Edited April 14, 2020 by One t in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, One t in Scotland said: So would we if we also switched from No --> Yes. 1 Yes vote required and only ICT, Dundee or PTFC can make it happen. Guarantee to extend the League to 14 or negotiate some hefty compensation and we vote Yes. Out the box thinking perhaps but why let Dundee hold all the cards whilst just waiting to be shafted. Given ICT,East Fife etc have put their neck on the line for us I think it would be pretty reprehensible to then do this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, One t in Scotland said: So would we if we also switched from No --> Yes. 1 Yes vote required and only ICT, Dundee or PTFC can make it happen. Guarantee to extend the League to 14 or negotiate some hefty compensation and we vote Yes. Out the box thinking perhaps but why let Dundee hold all the cards whilst just waiting to be shafted. I'm sure that Thistle (and ICT and Hearts) will be in contact with Dundee. From today's statement it sounds like we are on the same page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag36 Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, One t in Scotland said: So would we if we also switched from No --> Yes. 1 Yes vote required and only ICT, Dundee or PTFC can make it happen. Guarantee to extend the League to 14 or negotiate some hefty compensation and we vote Yes. Out the box thinking perhaps but why let Dundee hold all the cards whilst just waiting to be shafted. You could be right..but think the rules were that once you've submitted a vote it can't be changed. Hence why the Dundee vote was 'never recieved' rather than they just retracted it. Could be wrong there though. Also if Dundee voted Yes that would meet the required threshold to finalise the league anyway because ours is a No vote so dont think it would hold anything up unfortunately. Edited April 14, 2020 by Jag36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Credit where credits due to the board for seeking legal opinion and not just accepting this lying down. I wonder if they shared this privately with any other club before going public ? I imagine Hearts have been on the phone today. Maybe even Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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