Garscube Road End 2 Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, JAG1970 said: Indeed! On the football side it’s curious to read that Doolan was tracking him since January… when McCall was still manager… Maybe doing some work for McCall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, JAG1970 said: Indeed! On the football side it’s curious to read that Doolan was tracking him since January… when McCall was still manager… I am not sure it says Doolan was tracking him since January. I think it says that the club were interested in January and Doolan has been watching him at Dundalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 It may have been a mistake and they meant February rather than January hopefulky Wasiris girlfriend Luanne is better soon and able to get to Firhill for a game and will no doubt get a great welcome from the crowd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 Away from the playing side I do wonder when we will appoint an assistant manager as Paul McDonald is returning to his position as Academy Director which really needs his full attention? I had asked as was told it was still to be finalised but it was not clear if we were still deciding on who it should be or if we knew the person and it was just getting a deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Ben Williamson, midfielder, coming in on loan from Rangers apparently ... He was on loan to Dundee for part or all of last season so knows the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Also been on loan at Arbroath, Libby and Raith. Could be a decent loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, JAG1970 said: Ben Williamson, midfielder, coming in on loan from Rangers apparently ... He was on loan to Dundee for part or all of last season so knows the championship I thought he looked very decent for Dundee last season and I was hoping we could get him. He had quite a decent physical presence and liked a tackle. He may well be the defensive midfielder we need and as he's more mobile than Docherty perhaps an upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Not over enthused but at worst he'll be a perfectly good squad player. And I'm assuming not an expensive loan signing. On the plus side he was a regular sub for Dundee last season, so got plenty of game time in the division. Older and more experienced now, so he may become a more regular starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 A lot of people saying we are linked with Stevie May at St Johnstone. He was actually pictured unveiling the new St Johnstone strip last week so would be quite embarrassing for them if he had suddenly left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 I’m not enthused at the prospect of more OF loans tbh. I’d rather we sign players and blend with our own Academy players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, sandy said: I’m not enthused at the prospect of more OF loans tbh. I’d rather we sign players and blend with our own Academy players. Just heard that Cameron Cooper was freed a few weeks ago by Rangers. Only left us for them no long ago and at that time was also linked with West Ham so could be worth a shout bringing back as he was highly rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, sandy said: I’m not enthused at the prospect of more OF loans tbh. I’d rather we sign players and blend with our own Academy players. Agreeing with that. It is time that guys like James Lyon were given a real opportunity, and not constantly pushed back by temporary loan signings. One dividend I noted from the latter part of the Kelty friendly is that Lyon, Stanway, Mackenzie etc really know each other's games, and were able to combine effectively (despite Dowds and the trialist striker being ineffective). That is something to be built on in the first team environment, and I hope that will extend to the league itself, not just to friendlies and league cup ties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 43 minutes ago, elevenone said: Just heard that Cameron Cooper was freed a few weeks ago by Rangers. Only left us for them no long ago and at that time was also linked with West Ham so could be worth a shout bringing back as he was highly rated. He’s away down to England to sign for a team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Third Lanark said: He’s away down to England to sign for a team Ah i see. I take it we will not be due any development fee for us involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, elevenone said: Ah i see. I take it we will not be due any development fee for us involved? Sadly I don’t think we are due one mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) You can’t get a percentage of a free transfer. I stand corrected. This is covered by Article 20 and Annex 4 of the FIFA Regulations on the Status and transfer of players. It is a fixed amount, no mater if a fee is involved or not. Here is a summary In simple terms, training compensation is due to the player’s training club(s) when they sign their first professional contract or each time they are transferred until the end of the calendar year of their 23rd birthday. For agents, training compensation is something that you must understand as it is relevant when discussing transfer fees and will need to be accounted for in negotiations every time your client transfers up until the age of 23. For the calendar years of the ages between the player’s 12th birthday and 15th birthday, the training club will be owed a sum per year at the rate of a category 4 club. However, for the calendar years of their 16th birthday until the calendar year of their 21st, the training compensation owed depends upon the category of the club where he is signing his first professional contract or is transferred to. You need to learn and understanding the categorisation of training compensation clubs as outlined below: Confederation Category I Category II Category III Category IV AFC $40,000 $10,000 $2,000 CAF $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 CONCACAF $40,000 $10,000 $2,000 CONMEBOL $50,000 $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 OFC $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 UEFA €90,000 €60,000 €30,000 €10,000 The training compensation is due to the clubs within 30 days after the player is registered. If the club has folded due to bankruptcy or otherwise and therefore no longer exists, the training compensation can be paid to the national association instead on the condition that it is solely for reinvestment into youth football in the country. If Cameron is heading for an English Premier League side, that would be €90k coming our way. Edited July 12, 2023 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted July 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: You can’t get a percentage of a free transfer. I stand corrected. This is covered by Article 20 and Annex 4 of the FIFA Regulations on the Status and transfer of players. It is a fixed amount, no mater if a fee is involved or not. Here is a summary If Cameron is heading for an English Premier League side, that would be €90k coming our way. That would be quite nice, especially for somebody about whom I remember nothing; not even the name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: You can’t get a percentage of a free transfer. I stand corrected. This is covered by Article 20 and Annex 4 of the FIFA Regulations on the Status and transfer of players. It is a fixed amount, no mater if a fee is involved or not. Here is a summary In simple terms, training compensation is due to the player’s training club(s) when they sign their first professional contract or each time they are transferred until the end of the calendar year of their 23rd birthday. For agents, training compensation is something that you must understand as it is relevant when discussing transfer fees and will need to be accounted for in negotiations every time your client transfers up until the age of 23. For the calendar years of the ages between the player’s 12th birthday and 15th birthday, the training club will be owed a sum per year at the rate of a category 4 club. However, for the calendar years of their 16th birthday until the calendar year of their 21st, the training compensation owed depends upon the category of the club where he is signing his first professional contract or is transferred to. You need to learn and understanding the categorisation of training compensation clubs as outlined below: Confederation Category I Category II Category III Category IV AFC $40,000 $10,000 $2,000 CAF $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 CONCACAF $40,000 $10,000 $2,000 CONMEBOL $50,000 $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 OFC $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 UEFA €90,000 €60,000 €30,000 €10,000 The training compensation is due to the clubs within 30 days after the player is registered. If the club has folded due to bankruptcy or otherwise and therefore no longer exists, the training compensation can be paid to the national association instead on the condition that it is solely for reinvestment into youth football in the country. If Cameron is heading for an English Premier League side, that would be €90k coming our way. So despite speculation last year that a transfer for Kevin Nisbet from Hibs would generate us a slice, that's not the case due to his age (over 23). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 "I think there will be a couple coming in relatively soon, relatively quickly which will be good"... says the boss in an interview with the Herald/Times/National, so maybe we will see Williamson + another within the next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: You can’t get a percentage of a free transfer. I stand corrected. This is covered by Article 20 and Annex 4 of the FIFA Regulations on the Status and transfer of players. It is a fixed amount, no mater if a fee is involved or not. Here is a summary In simple terms, training compensation is due to the player’s training club(s) when they sign their first professional contract or each time they are transferred until the end of the calendar year of their 23rd birthday. For agents, training compensation is something that you must understand as it is relevant when discussing transfer fees and will need to be accounted for in negotiations every time your client transfers up until the age of 23. For the calendar years of the ages between the player’s 12th birthday and 15th birthday, the training club will be owed a sum per year at the rate of a category 4 club. However, for the calendar years of their 16th birthday until the calendar year of their 21st, the training compensation owed depends upon the category of the club where he is signing his first professional contract or is transferred to. You need to learn and understanding the categorisation of training compensation clubs as outlined below: Confederation Category I Category II Category III Category IV AFC $40,000 $10,000 $2,000 CAF $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 CONCACAF $40,000 $10,000 $2,000 CONMEBOL $50,000 $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 OFC $30,000 $10,000 $2,000 UEFA €90,000 €60,000 €30,000 €10,000 The training compensation is due to the clubs within 30 days after the player is registered. If the club has folded due to bankruptcy or otherwise and therefore no longer exists, the training compensation can be paid to the national association instead on the condition that it is solely for reinvestment into youth football in the country. If Cameron is heading for an English Premier League side, that would be €90k coming our way. That doesn't seem right, or more likely im reading it incorrectly. It would mean every "free" transfer under the age of 23 actually costs at least 10k euros per year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ancipital said: That doesn't seem right, or more likely im reading it incorrectly. It would mean every "free" transfer under the age of 23 actually costs at least 10k euros per year? The line "in simple terms" is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, JAG1970 said: So despite speculation last year that a transfer for Kevin Nisbet from Hibs would generate us a slice, that's not the case due to his age (over 23). Different case. That was a Solidarity payment, not a Training Compensation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ancipital said: That doesn't seem right, or more likely im reading it incorrectly. It would mean every "free" transfer under the age of 23 actually costs at least 10k euros per year? Every free international transfer. Domestic deals don’t count Edited July 12, 2023 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said: Every free international transfer. Domestic deals don’t count So if we were to sign this Harrison Nee we have on trial, who is 20 it's going to cost us about 80k euros based on 10k per year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Different case. That was a Solidarity payment, not a Training Compensation Article 21, not article 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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